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DJ's left nut 04-27-2011 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 7596017)
So since you can get league-leading RBs like Priest Holmes and Arian Foster as UDFAs you shouldn't ever draft a RB with an early round pick. :spock:

You shouldn't ever draft a scat-back with a 36 overall, no. You shouldn't ever draft someone that you know isn't capable of carrying an NFL workload at 36 overall so you try to convert him to a slot WR. And you damn sure shouldn't defend said pick when player gets moved back to RB after being proven incapable of making a legit impact at WR.

But that's a nice little straw-man you've assembled there.

ToxSocks 04-27-2011 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan (Post 7596023)
Actually - "According to Gretz, Haley <font size="+2" color="red"><b>HINTED</b></font> that McCluster might be a third down back.

Exactly.

It's a ****ing old quote from a few months ago FFS. Back then, I interpreted it as he was going to use Dex MORE as a RB then he did last season, not that he'd be STRICTLY a RB.

Not sure what has changed about that quote a few months later.

BigMeatballDave 04-27-2011 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan (Post 7596023)
Actually - "According to Gretz, Haley <font size="+2" color="red"><b>HINTED</b></font> that McCluster might be a third down back.

Haters gotta hate, dude.

Titty Meat 04-27-2011 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Red 5 (Post 7596025)
Are you seriously arguing this?

He had 280 yards from scrimmage in 11 games.

Second round picks should contribute more than 25 yards a game.

This isn't hard to grasp...but some of you are in love with the idea of Dexter McCluster rather than the actual player.

He was playing with a high ankle sprain since the end of October. Those can take months to heal.

ToxSocks 04-27-2011 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Red 5 (Post 7596025)
Are you seriously arguing this?

He had 280 yards from scrimmage in 11 games.

Second round picks should contribute more than 25 yards a game.

This isn't hard to grasp...but some of you are in love with the idea of Dexter McCluster rather than the actual player.

Maybe you should take his number of touches into consideration. You're trying to hang onto Dj and OTWP's nuts, but you're shitty arguments.

If you wanna argue his draft value at #36, fine whatever. But stop trying to knock his skill.

DJ's left nut 04-27-2011 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 7596021)
I'm kinda surprised this kinda argument is coming from you.

I understand that you are upset about WHERE he was picked. I can see your point there. But to knock this guy's ability is insane.

His ability is overstated by many to justify his selection.

If you want to say he's an okay return man and a potentially nice 3rd down back - fine, whatever. I'm not going to argue that; there's at least a good chance he can be just that. You can get those in the 5th/6th round and or UDFA. I'm not impressed. I also don't think he's particularly excellent at either of those roles. No, he's not going to be as good at his job as Kevin Faulk is. And no, I very much doubt he ever makes a PB as a special teams player. He's just a mediocre player that we're trying to salvage by making a marginal contributor out of him.

Don't try to argue that he's anything more than that to justify his draft position. I've said all along it's a bad pick and that absolutely takes draft position into account. You can say you don't care where he was drafted, but we're going to use a 1st or 2nd rounder on a position that we could've addressed last year with his pick very easily. Draft position is HUGE.

That run isn't something that you don't see in essentially every NFL game. He made a nice cut and made a guy miss him. He weighs 170 lbs, that cut isn't all that amazing. It's not like he reversed field or anything, he simply planted his foot and went straight. Okay, so he's more elusive than Kolby Smith. Fantastic.

He was still a bad draft pick.

ToxSocks 04-27-2011 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7596026)
You shouldn't ever draft a scat-back with a 36 overall, no. You shouldn't ever draft someone that you know isn't capable of carrying an NFL workload at 36 overall so you try to convert him to a slot WR. And you damn sure shouldn't defend said pick when player gets moved back to RB after being proven incapable of making a legit impact at WR.

But that's a nice little straw-man you've assembled there.

1. Chris Johnson is a "Scat-back". Went the 1st rnd.
2. Charles would've been a 1st rounder had people known what they know now. He's a "Scat-Back"
3. We dont actually KNOW what the Chiefs are doing with McCluster. The OP is very misleading.

DJ's left nut 04-27-2011 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BCD (Post 7596020)
This has turned into a petty, pathetic argument.

How would you know? You've pretty much had your fingers in your ears whistling the whole time anyway.

ToxSocks 04-27-2011 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7596034)
His ability is overstated by many to justify his selection.

If you want to say he's an okay return man and a potentially nice 3rd down back - fine, whatever. I'm not going to argue that; there's at least a good chance he can be just that. You can get those in the 5th/6th round and or UDFA. I'm not impressed. I also don't think he's particularly excellent at either of those roles. No, he's not going to be as good at his job as Kevin Faulk is. And no, I very much doubt he ever makes a PB as a special teams player. He's just a mediocre player that we're trying to salvage by making a marginal contributor out of him.

Don't try to argue that he's anything more than that to justify his draft position. I've said all along it's a bad pick and that absolutely takes draft position into account. You can say you don't care where he was drafted, but we're going to use a 1st or 2nd rounder on a position that we could've addressed last year with his pick very easily. Draft position is HUGE.

That run isn't something that you don't see in essentially every NFL game. He made a nice cut and made a guy miss him. He weighs 170 lbs, that cut isn't all that amazing. It's not like he reversed field or anything, he simply planted his foot and went straight. Okay, so he's more elusive than Kolby Smith. Fantastic.

He was still a bad draft pick.

We're arguing different things here.

I'm not trying to justify his draft position. Like I said before, I don't care about where he was drafted. I just wanna see the Chiefs get the most out of him. What's done is done and I'm not gonna sit here and mope and be all pissy about it. It doesn't matter anymore. All that matters now is that he becomes a productive player. Which I believe he will be.

The initial argument was that he didn't have the ability to be productive. I highly disagree. That turned into a rant about how he wasn't "elusive". Clearly his highlights show otherwise.

Hammock Parties 04-27-2011 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 7596031)
Maybe you should take his number of touches into consideration.

Why?

Part of the reason his touches suffered is because he lacked the ability to get open as a wide receiver.

The Chiefs had to get him the ball mostly on crap out of the backfield.

Now, I guess you can pump three-yard passes to McCluster all day long. But your offense is not going to move the ball that way.

It's a moot point anyway. If McCluster is going to be a running back instead of a wide receiver, his touches are not going to explode. I actually had some hope he might learn how to be an NFL wide receiver and be a 50-catch guy someday....now....he's probably going to be a 30-catch guy who carries the ball a couple times a game.

He will never, ever live up to his draft position. And I'm guessing the love for him will never, ever end as long as he makes one exciting play a month.

OnTheWarpath15 04-27-2011 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 7596031)
Maybe you should take his number of touches into consideration. You're trying to hang onto Dj and OTWP's nuts, but you're shitty arguments.

If you wanna argue his draft value at #36, fine whatever. But stop trying to knock his skill.

He does have a point about being in love with the idea rather than the player.

Some of you are completely overselling his NFL ability to justify the 36th pick in a ridiculously deep draft.

You don't take this kind of a player with that valuable of a pick.

He's not what you all claimed he was. He's not Wes Welker. He's not DeSean Jackson. He's not Percy Harvin. He's not Devin Hester.

He's a guy that you can get in the later rounds of almost every draft.

He's an even smaller, slower version of Jacoby Ford who was taken in the 4th.

Just one example off the top of my head.

Hammock Parties 04-27-2011 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 7596030)
He was playing with a high ankle sprain since the end of October. Those can take months to heal.

This argument is moot because he was doing the same shit before the injury. They tried to get him the ball in Indy and Houston and he couldn't make people miss to save his life.

keg in kc 04-27-2011 02:02 PM

I don't think I've seen anybody espousing any sort of 'love' for McCluster, unless you equate 'love' with 'not burying the guy'.

DJ's left nut 04-27-2011 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 7596038)
1. Chris Johnson is a "Scat-back". Went the 1st rnd.
2. Charles would've been a 1st rounder had people known what they know now. He's a "Scat-Back"
3. We dont actually KNOW what the Chiefs are doing with McCluster. The OP is very misleading.

Chris Johnson is no scat back and was no scat-back. He's a speed rusher that, IIRC, broke the 40 time record at the combine. He also showed a solid power game as a full-time rusher at UCF. If you honestly want to compare Johnson and McCluster, do so at your own peril. As far as I'm concerned, it only serves to undermine your credibility.

Charles is also not a scat-back. Even when he was taken people marveled at his balance and the fact that he was actually pretty sturdy off-tackle (by all means, review the thread). The concern with Charles was his experience and the fact that he ran tall. No, he was not seen as a scat-back. Even still, he was taken a hell of a lot later than 36 overall because, again, you don't take guys you don't think can shoulder a legitimate NFL workload at 36 overall.

Hammock Parties 04-27-2011 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 7596045)
The initial argument was that he didn't have the ability to be productive. I highly disagree.

300 yards /= productive


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