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BigMeatballDave 07-07-2012 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning (Post 8724937)
I don't think there is a GM out there that would choose a 22 year old Eli over a 22 year old Peyton.

Eli is clutch, great. But so is Paul Pierce and nobody would choose Paul Pierce over LeBron.

:spock:

milkman 07-07-2012 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning (Post 8724937)
I don't think there is a GM out there that would choose a 22 year old Eli over a 22 year old Peyton.

Eli is clutch, great. But so is Paul Pierce and nobody would choose Paul Pierce over LeBron.

Do you have any idea how utterly stupid you are?

Or is ignorance really bliss?

Quesadilla Joe 07-07-2012 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8724947)
Do you have any idea how utterly stupid you are?

Or is ignorance really bliss?

What was dumb about that post?

Gadzooks 07-07-2012 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8724904)
Of course not.

But if talent was all it took to win championships, then Jeff George would be considered by everyone as one of the greatest QB ever, while Johnny Unitas would be sitting on his couch at home talking about his semi-pro football glory days.

Alright, let's look at Steve Young vs. Stan Humphries.
'94 Super Bowl 49-26
Young was a failure in TB and ended up in SF as a backup to Montana and replaced him after the infamous Marshall hit.
He took over what was practically a Pro Bowl team. (They cheated the salary cap)
Humphries was brought in from Washington to replace Billy Joe Tolliver on an average team.
Humphries made "clutch" plays all season and the Chargers surprisingly made the Super Bowl.
If you were to switch QBs between the 2 teams do you think the 49ers would have won?
Yeah they'd win 28-26 with Humphries pulling a horseshoe out of his ass.
So, who's better in that situation? Humphries because he was "clutch" or Young even though he would have "choked"

milkman 07-07-2012 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning (Post 8724958)
What was dumb about that post?

Based on pure talent, there isn't a single player, other than Wilt Chamberlain perhaps, that would be drafted ahead of LeBron at 22 years of age.

Your retrospect bullshit is just ****ing stupid.

milkman 07-07-2012 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 8724973)
Alright, let's look at Steve Young vs. Stan Humphries.
'94 Super Bowl 49-26
Young was a failure in TB and ended up in SF as a backup to Montana and replaced him after the infamous Marshall hit.
He took over what was practically a Pro Bowl team. (They cheated the salary cap)
Humphries was brought in from Washington to replace Billy Joe Tolliver on an average team.
Humphries made "clutch" plays all season and the Chargers surprisingly made the Super Bowl.
If you were to switch QBs between the 2 teams do you think the 49ers would have won?
Yeah they'd win 28-26 with Humphries pulling a horseshoe out of his ass.
So, who's better in that situation? Humphries because he was "clutch" or Young even though he would have "choked"

I'm at a loss.

I just can not explain it any more simply than what Ive already done.

Humphries had one great season, and never really played to that same level again.

Eli has consistenly raised the level of his game from year to year, and consistently come up big in big moments.

Drew Brees didn't choke against the 9ers this year.

Alex Smith had what is probably his "one horseshoe moment".

Hammock Parties 07-07-2012 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8724984)
Alex Smith had what is probably his "one horseshoe moment".

ROFL

That's great.

I think Cassel's came in the regular season, 2010.

Gadzooks 07-07-2012 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8724984)
Alex Smith had what is probably his "one horseshoe moment".".

So, interpreting your logic, if Alex Smith has another "horseshoe moment" he should be moved into the top 10 because he will then be considered "clutch" which is defined by making plays that seem improbable in the post season?
I'm still trying to understand your views on QB rankings since it doesn't actually have anything to do with their talent. It has to do with being "clutch".

beach tribe 07-07-2012 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 8725012)
So, interpreting your logic, if Alex Smith has another "horseshoe moment" he should be moved into the top 10 because he will then be considered "clutch" which is defined by making plays that seem improbable in the post season?
I'm still trying to understand your views on QB rankings since it doesn't actually have anything to do with their talent. It has to do with being "clutch".

:facepalm:Milk, There's no point in this.

BigMeatballDave 07-07-2012 09:56 PM

LMAO He is trolling.

There is no other explanation.

NO ONE could be this obtuse.

tredadda 07-07-2012 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8725021)
LMAO He is trolling.

There is no other explanation.

NO ONE could be this obtuse.

He's just butthurt that Eli gave his Chaga's the middle finger and ended up going to the NYG and has since led them to not one, but two SBs which is more than Rivers and Peyton................COMBINED.

Gadzooks 07-07-2012 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8725021)
LMAO He is trolling.

There is no other explanation.

NO ONE could be this obtuse.

I'm not trolling. I would consider putting Cam in my top 10 based on talent.
The list should be based on the QBs with the most talent.

milkman 07-07-2012 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 8725012)
So, interpreting your logic, if Alex Smith has another "horseshoe moment" he should be moved into the top 10 because he will then be considered "clutch" which is defined by making plays that seem improbable in the post season?
I'm still trying to understand your views on QB rankings since it doesn't actually have anything to do with their talent. It has to do with being "clutch".

You seem to have difficulty with the word "Consistent".

And Eli Manning is talented,

He would not have been the #1 overall if he didn't have it, name be damned.

BigMeatballDave 07-07-2012 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 8725032)
I'm not trolling. I would consider putting Cam in my top 10 based on talent.
The list should be based on the QBs with the most talent.

Well, then you're bitter.

This isn't 10-12 yrs ago. Talentless QBs don't win SBs anymore.

Sure, the Giants have some talent on D but nothing like Baltimore had.

If you cannot see Eli is talented, especially in crunch time, then you have a serious flaw in your football acumen.

BigMeatballDave 07-07-2012 10:30 PM

And while Cam appears to be quite talented, his sample size is a bit small to be sure of anything at this point.


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