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BossChief 07-14-2012 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by morphius (Post 8740791)
Exactly. He give the D some rest and generally better field position, but not scoring is not scoring...
true and he has always had problems throwing tds in the red zone, but

Jackie Battle
Thomas Jones
Pope/that guy

Peyton Hillis
Jamaal Charles
Tony Moeaki/Kevin Boss

That's a huge red zone ammo upgrade.

Hammock Parties 07-14-2012 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8740763)
Clay is kicking the shit out of this page.

I can't believe my eyes.

I totally agree that the chasm between Orton and Cassel is as big as the grand canyon.

Orton moved the ball and the offense immediately showed up.

Our defense rested and were able to adjustments because Orton extended drives.

The most impressive part of that, to me, was that he did it without a running game.

The absolute best option this offseason was re-signing Orton...cutting Cassel and drafting a kid in the first round with full intension of sitting him one full year before opening a competition for starter in year two.

Then, they wouldnt have straight lied to us with the whole "increased quarterback competition" talk.

Giving us Brady Quinn is a slap in the face and insult to the fanbases intelligence.

Sorry, pest.
LOVE ME.

LOVE ME HARD, AND LOVE ME NOW.

YOU'VE NEVER BEEN HOTTER.

OH MY GOD.

morphius 07-14-2012 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8740850)
true and he has always had problems throwing tds in the red zone, but

Jackie Battle
Thomas Jones
Pope/that guy

Peyton Hillis
Jamaal Charles
Tony Moeaki/Kevin Boss

That's a huge red zone ammo upgrade.
I'm going with the, "always" had that problem, and he has had some stud WR's that he still couldn't hit in the red zone. I'd rather have one more year of failure from Cassel, than being teased by Orton for a few more. I see it as a lose/lose longer situation.

Quesadilla Joe 07-14-2012 08:26 PM
Orton wasn't in KC long enough for the honeymoon period to wear off. The guy is waaaay too cautious with the ball and has zero pocket presence. He sucks in the redzone because he isn't willing to throw the ball into tight spots. Orton had to have led the league in passes thrown out of bounds.

Quesadilla Joe 07-14-2012 08:28 PM
There was actually a point in Orton's career in Denver where I kind of envied Matt Cassel's mobility. Orton didn't earn the name "Pocket Sloth" for nothing.

Hammock Parties 07-14-2012 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning (Post 8740918)
There was actually a point in Orton's career in Denver where I kind of envied Matt Cassel's mobility. Orton didn't earn the name "Pocket Sloth" for nothing.
Despite this, he is sacked less than Cassel over the last 37 games.

Cassel's pocket presence is worse than his passing.

BossChief 07-14-2012 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8740265)
You will learn to love Stanzi.

milkman 07-14-2012 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 8740263)
Yeah, I know, but given Cassel or Orton, I'm taking Cassel. He would have the shortest leash out of the two. No way would Orton come back and only play a year.
I disagree.

I firmly believe that if the Chiefs were to get into the playoffs and get their asses handed to them the same Ravens-style 2010, Cassel would be back next year, even if his level of mediocrity was lower than the level of '10.

And yes, 27-7 notwithstanding, make no mistake, 2010 was a mediocre year for Cassel.

Orton would not get the same consideration.

As for red one efficiency, Claythan is right.

Elite QBs can overcome the lack of threat of a running game that can punch the ball in.

2nd and 3rd tier QBs can not.

Cassel is an old GMC Gremlin with no tires sitting in trailer thrash's front lawn.

Orton is the old Ford Maverick that still runs and gets trailer thrash to Wal Mart.

DeezNutz 07-14-2012 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8740321)
You guys are arguing between ass cancer and lung cancer.
Pretty big difference there, IMO. At least one, ostensibly, was contracted through a somewhat enjoyable act.

-King- 07-14-2012 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8740927)
Despite this, he is sacked less than Cassel over the last 37 games.

Cassel's pocket presence is worse than his passing.
Orton loses more yards per sack than Cassel does. Cassel also has much more rushing yards than Orton. Cassel had more yards in 10 games last year than Orton has had in any season. Orton wishes he could have Cassel's mobility.

Hammock Parties 07-14-2012 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 8740940)
Orton loses more yards per sack than Cassel does. Cassel also has much more rushing yards than Orton. Cassel had more yards in 10 games last year than Orton has had in any season. Orton wishes he could have Cassel's mobility.
A sack is a sack. The less it happens, the better.

No one gives a **** about rushing yards. Cassel only racks up rushing yards because he can't/won't throw the ball to someone and panics.

Any extra rushing yards Cassel adds, Orton compensates for easily with his stellar 249 YPG average.

BossChief 07-14-2012 08:39 PM
How much would our offense have raped in those 3 games with Orton if Jamaal and Tony were healthy?

-King- 07-14-2012 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8740947)
A sack is a sack. The less it happens, the better.

No one gives a **** about rushing yards. Cassel only racks up rushing yards because he can't/won't throw the ball to someone and panics.

Any extra rushing yards Cassel adds, Orton compensates for easily with 249 YPG.
And Cassel is compensates with more TDs.


Cassel wins the handicap olympics.

Hammock Parties 07-14-2012 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 8740969)
And Cassel is compensates with more TDs.


Cassel wins the handicap olympics.
Wrong. TDs are the same.

And Orton would produce more TDs with the Chiefs' talent, we all know that.

evolve27 07-14-2012 08:49 PM
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