No, no. He's dead right. Addicts and boozers are remarkably adept liars and manipulators when they're living in their addictions. And they're often just as remarkably honest when they're living in recovery.

Get out of my head.
Seriously, very well put.

Oh, I agree. It's just his overall attitude I have a problem with.

I agree that we'd have to keep hard prison time as an option for those that don't respond to treatment for their illness.

I've volunteered some of my time at several treatment centers. Some would definitely fit on the pansy side of the comfort scale. Some others are lockdown facilities that are just one step short of jail.

If we decide to treat addiction as a health problem, we'll have to also accept that patients are not prisoners (yet), so I'm not concerned that places that treat illness don't look and feel like a Supermax. Nor do I think patients need an ocean view to get well. I'd hope for something that looks and feels very much like a medical facility.

I don't see anything wrong with it. Not everyone is strong and can make it.

I had a close friend who fell into depression because she couldn't have kids and she and her husband just couldn't get ahead and she got laid off. One day, she left counseling, grabbed a cab and drove from Phoenix to the Hoover Dam overpass (280 miles). Got out of the cab and jumped. Saw her just the night before and she was happy as a clam. Then, just like that, she was gone. Forever. This was last January.

Here is the story. She is in all black with the cab in the background. This one was hard to grasp for me.

http://www.casino.org/news/suicide-o...s-dirty-secret

You can see her 'happy' here:

https://www.facebook.com/chris.papayoti?fref=ts I've never known a man who loved his wife more than Chris. Almost nauseating at times.

Had 2 close friends in grade school kill themselves, a week apart, in some sort of suicide pact. The 3 of us were best friends. Had NO idea what was going on. But everyone thought I was next. That sucked too.

Me, as a creative person, have had my fair share of bad, bad thoughts.

On a side note, weed (Sativa) is wonderful for depression.

This kid I went to HS with committed suicide. He had just graduated college, got a new job/House, and was about to be married. He went to St. Louis to do some last minute things for his wedding. They found him hanging in his hotel room. It didn't make any sense. He was picked on a lot in school but he had already moved on, it was very weird.

Looks like he's getting an NPC avatar in World of Warcraft.

Pretty cool. Blizzard will do it.

BUT, I am NOT getting sucked back into that game.

I read Williams had financial problems. Could have been the trigger. Anyhow, his death is sure overshadowing yesterday's death of Lauren Bacall.

I about posted a picture of my notebooks that along with my lexipro I have a strict writing routine where I often write the same things over and over throughout my day to keep my mind from going to dark places. Most people are like horrified that this is the way I live my life, but it is not to shabby. I have an apartment, friends, sometimes girlfriend, and I do get relief from talking about it. It is exhausting staying on top of it sometimes. So I can understand getting crushed to the point where enough is enough.

Spoken like a normie...Depressed people can be free being poor as hell and in deep legal financial trouble, and have all the money in the bank and want to kill themselves. It knows no outside forces. All internal brosef.

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Hope you don't hate me for saying you're pathetic.

Get your ****ing mind off yourself for about ten minutes and you might find there's a world out there.

Oops, I guess I'm a normie.

I remember when penz was funny.