Originally Posted by FAX (Post 14230558)

Are we discussing "punching" or "throwing down the stairs", Mr. jd1020?

What kind of "corporal punishment" is either one?

FAX

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 14230568)

She lied to the prosecutor, in court.

Perjury, mother****er, YOU look it up.

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 14230568)

She lied to the prosecutor, in court.

Perjury, mother****er, YOU look it up.

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 14230531)

I came into this thread late, Mr. Marcellus ...

I see now that emotions are high and lines have been drawn. Matters of great importance are at stake and lives at risk. I get it ...

So, I'm going with the "too soon" defense. (While relying on the established science that proves demon possession of mixed-race children is both horrific and difficult to diagnose.)

That ... and the more obvious and certain fact that this little family is a f***ed up mess. Domestic violence? Belt whoopin's? Stair throwin's? Secret recordings? Friends dishing up tapes to the press? Tweeting inlaws? Jesus ... this is a mud hole I prefer not to wallow in.

Many of you know that I've supported Tyreek so far. That's because I personally haven't seen a single thing in the papers, on TV, or on anybody's twatter feed that "proves" he's done anything wrong.

Still, if he is an abuser (of either women or children or animals), he won't catch any slack from me. I have never once ... neither in RL nor here ... defended abusers of any ilk. Frankly, I grew up in a community rife with ignorance, alcohol, and violence. I well know what it does, what it means, and why I abhor the concept. There's no end to the destruction it causes ...

But the tape in the OP doesn't "prove" anything either. Doesn't look good ... granted. Actually, it's creepy as hell. Yet, the conversation contained therein fails to reach a reasonable standard of definitive evidence proving Tyreek is an abuser (IMHO). Additionally, some posts have referenced other information that, apparently, isn't in the OP ... I haven't seen or heard any of that, so far.

Meanwhile, anyone who implies or suggests that I protect or admire abusers can kiss my ass ... literally. The same goes for anyone who thinks I should check my brain and sensibilities at the login.

And I've said this before ... there are no "winners" in this deal. Nobody "wins" here. This is a situation in which everybody loses ... the child, Baby Mama, Momma Mama, Inlaw Mama, Tyreek, the Chiefs, us ... everybody.

Taking "sides" in a situation like that is a hell of a thing.

FAX

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 14230461)

Because the mother admitted that she ****ing defended him the first time questions were brought up.

Did you even listen to the audio?

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 14230578)

When the **** did this go to court?

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 14230531)

Still, if he is an abuser (of either women or children or animals), he won't catch any slack from me. I have never once ... neither in RL nor here ... defended abusers of any ilk. Frankly, I grew up in a community rife with ignorance, alcohol, and violence. I well know what it does, what it means, and why I abhor the concept. There's no end to the destruction it causes ...

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 14229838)

So ... am I reading this thread right?

A bunch of Planeteers think this tape (as presented here) is evidence of child abuse?

Even damning evidence?

FAX

Originally Posted by Cooper outstanding citizen (Post 14230600)

What's frustrating to me is pretty simple --

First off, just like Donald Sterling, you shouldn't be damned because of secret audio recordings that you're not consenting. Of course when he tells the fiance that she should be terrified of him -- that's awful. But he's also saying this in confidence in a moment where he is clearly worked up. On top of that, you can tell by him mumbling under his breath he is upset, hurt and is saying things he doesn't necessarily mean. I can't damn a guy to hell for something like that.

That said, in 2019, there is no coming back. Nobody is going to allow him to play with KC. The frustrating thing for me, as a fan, is he will be picked up by 2021 by another team. Another team will go through the same motions Dorsey went through, reference his counseling and his "last chance", and he will go to another team for nothing and we will have to watch that as Chiefs fans.

IF TEAMS are going to have to release these guys to stay ahead of the lynch mob and pretend the NFL is full of good people -- the NFL needs to put these guys on exempt lists where they are not employees of any team, and no team can sign them, release them, trade them, or do anything. They are in purgatory. Once they are (if they are) reinstated by the NFL, the team that had their rights has 30 days to determine cut or keep. If they cut, then the player goes in to the supplemental draft and the other 31 teams can blind bid away a draft pick to see who gets to sign the guy.

Originally Posted by Mulliganman (Post 14230234)

I have wanted since Day 1 of this for Hill to be innocent. Not innocent by lack of evidence but innocent innocent because that means a father didn’t abuse his child. At this point, I don’t think it’s a stretch at the very least he is suspended a few games. Now, after this what else happens it’s hard to say. Hill is going to be pissed at Espinol. She may need to cut a deal because she seemingly admits to lying to those investigating or misleading them. I would expect anything about the situation that hasn’t come to light yet will soon.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 14230621)

If he's an abuser?

Why did he go in the fifth round of the draft again?

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 14230623)

The audio doesn't prove anything. The only bad part is when he says 'you should be afraid too' or whatever.

Who leaked the audio, the fiance' or the police?