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raybec 4 03-02-2023 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 16834459)
Whens the last time he had a WR that was great at it

It hasn't been necessary. It's not a missing piece to our offense. Mahomes is too good at throwing people open to have to throw up a bunch of 50/50 balls.

ToxSocks 03-02-2023 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 16834503)
We are watching the player. KT still had a better yards per game average in 2021 than OBJ and it was his rookie year with Daniel Jones shitting his pants. Don't be fooled by OBJ looking good for a few plays in the Super Bowl. Dude is cooked and coming off his second devastating knee injury.

No, i don't think you are watching the player. I don't know how you could watch this and not see:

Great speed
Great movement ability
Natural, great hands.

You can't possibly look at this and then look at Hopkins and say that OBJ doesn't bring more to the table physically.

OBJ was on a shit Browns team with a shit QB that people didn't want to accept was shit, then gets traded mid season by a Rams team who slowly worked him in through out the season.

IF you want to argue about his health and availability, sure. But the man can flat out ball when he's on the field.

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ToxSocks 03-02-2023 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16834505)
But what's the point if he isn't going to play?

Why are we assuming he won't? He'll have had ample time to heal.

Megatron96 03-02-2023 01:54 PM

The primary reason to bring in a guy like DH is not for jump balls. It's just a great bonus.

The reason to bring him in is the ability to consistently beat press man, something JJSS isn't great at, neither is MVS. Basically, we have Kelce and Toney for that, and we're not sure Toney will be able to stay healthy for the entire season. So that leaves Kelce. Again.

Whether it's OBJ or DH, both are great man-beaters. And let's remember that last season teams played press man against KC far more often than they have since 2018. And the best secondaries were able to stall our offense doing it.

Secondly, Pat is far better at beating zones, and our receivers are as well. Getting one of these guys or someone like them, and Andy can force them out of man back into zone, and Pat feasts, and we win another SB.

Megatron96 03-02-2023 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16834517)
Why are we assuming he won't? He'll have had ample time to heal.

Isn't he coming off his second or third knee surgery to the same knee?

DH has had one knee surgery, and based on what I saw him doing this season in person, he's recovered.

Danguardace 03-02-2023 02:03 PM

I'd be happy with it, only because you won the Superbowl with a Mid WR room no guarantee you can do it again. Let Pat Cook

ToxSocks 03-02-2023 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16834520)
Isn't he coming off his second or third knee surgery to the same knee?

DH has had one knee surgery, and based on what I saw him doing this season in person, he's recovered.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">More on Odell Beckham’s first ACL surgery in 2020: The procedure, which was performed by a non-team affiliated doc, led to a rehab that took longer than expected while Beckham was training in AZ. Some wondered if he wasn’t working hard enough. Turns out, just not a great surgery. <a href="https://t.co/6g7iLd4laa">https://t.co/6g7iLd4laa</a></p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1514348667485966353?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 13, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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After he re-tore his ACL in the Super Bowl, Rams team doctors performed a much more successful surgery that Rapoport says is likely to extend the receiver's career.

ToxSocks 03-02-2023 02:11 PM

Fuggit, draft Hyatt AND sign OBJ.

OBJ
MVS
Toney
Hyatt
Moore

....commence fapperations. My god, that'd be a scary receiver room.

ROYC75 03-02-2023 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 16834460)
Hopkins is going into the HOF, OBJ is not...

Who cares about HOF? Our only concern is " How can you help us now" !

That's how I see it, I'm sure BV does too! Who can best help us retain our offense or even be better than last year!

Hammock Parties 03-02-2023 02:40 PM

we're moving all our chips in this offseason to go back to back

build a super team

Balto 03-02-2023 03:21 PM

All this talk about Hopkins and OBJ I think Veach could throw a curve ball and go after DJ Moore from the Panthers. Fits what Veach typically goes after and could be a perfect match for the offense.

LoneWolf 03-02-2023 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16834516)
No, i don't think you are watching the player. I don't know how you could watch this and not see:

Great speed
Great movement ability
Natural, great hands.

You can't possibly look at this and then look at Hopkins and say that OBJ doesn't bring more to the table physically.

OBJ was on a shit Browns team with a shit QB that people didn't want to accept was shit, then gets traded mid season by a Rams team who slowly worked him in through out the season.

IF you want to argue about his health and availability, sure. But the man can flat out ball when he's on the field.

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There's nothing in that video that Hopkins can't do still today. You cannot say that about Beckham. Hell, we don't even know if he is going to play this season. His knee could be completely messed up.

SuperBowl4 03-02-2023 03:33 PM

no thanks

Chris Meck 03-02-2023 03:52 PM

Reerun'd.

ToxSocks 03-02-2023 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 16834657)
There's nothing in that video that Hopkins can't do still today. You cannot say that about Beckham. Hell, we don't even know if he is going to play this season. His knee could be completely messed up.

Except run like that. OBJ is visibly a faster and twitchier player.

And yet still offers the same level of hands and route running. BUT DOESN'T COST DRAFT PICKS.

And his knee would have to be evaluated and green lit. That kinda goes w/o saying, doesn't it.

And again, the Chiefs could negotiate with OBJ on their terms. They don't have to trade picks for a guy and then get held hostage for a change in contract demands.


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