Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18055462)

That tells you more about 'yards of separation' as a meaningful stat than it does Skyy Moore.

Originally Posted by Kiimo (Post 18055539)

Drake London had bad yards of separation and I thought it would bomb him and lol he was the #5 fantasy WR last season

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18055462)

That tells you more about 'yards of separation' as a meaningful stat than it does Skyy Moore.

I've tried to tell y'all this, but if you're getting separation AFTER you're supposed to be getting it, how MUCH of it you're getting doesn't matter. Nobody's looking.

Moore NEVER ran his routes on time. He absolutely refused to run a clean, direct route. He was always trying to play playground ball out there and throw wiggle into his routes. So he was still looking to set up his break when he was supposed to be breaking into space. By the time he made a move, Mahomes had moved on.

Which is why Mahomes stopped even looking his way. Had he occasionally been where he was supposed to be, when he was supposed to be there, PM would've kept looking at him at least. But he didn't. And that was the why of it.

Yards of separation means ****-all. A foot of separation RIGHT at the precise time/place is exponentially more useful than 3 yards of separation when the QB is looking at a different route because when he looked at you, you were out there foot-firing.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 18055525)

I think it's like most stats: Useful in context, but difficult to keep in context.

It's also kind of why Hunter Renfrow has been out of the league. Shifty little slot who can do some crazy stuff, but struggles being "on time" in the offense. If he's not freelancing, he's not productive, type of deal.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18055567)

To really give it much value is to overlook a point we've made in various different contexts -- the difference between a great player and someone who's just not in the league is ridiculously small.

So when you see a stat -- ANY stat -- where there's somebody that's out there doing things 50% better than anyone else in the league....you should REALLY start to question that stat.

Because the odds of Skyy Moore unlocking the rosetta stone for WR separation are...zero. Or Richie James, if we want to cite someone who's unlikely to illicit such strong opinions.

When you have these guys out there pulling up 2-3 yards of separation on average when the rest of the league is struggling to find a yard...well that tells you the stat is probably silly.

Richie James didn't come up with some magic way of running routes that Justin Jefferson just can't do or doesn't understand.

The margins are so small that if your stat ISN'T showing small margins, the problem is probably with the stat.

Originally Posted by fuzzy (Post 18055609)

A 5'9" receiver who can't separate is utterly uslesless. Which is why Skyy is complete ass.

That only works if you are Mike Evans and you're huge and you just catch everything cuz you're huge.