Im good at pumping out 3 chord info :hmmm:

Some perspective is needed. Maybe he becomes a star. Maybe he busts. Or maybe somewhere in between. But there is a chance he's good or even great. Whereas with Kingsley we had a guy who was complete and total ass. A guy who put out atrocious tape and terrible technique
And was only ever going to suck. The tape is the tape. And Simmons put out good tape.

how do you write off Kingsley Suamataia already?

very small, miniscule sample size

Or, what if he isn't immediately able to move the same way but maybe eventually can if we just let him continue to heal and make any potential adjustments to counter such a serious injury?

I broke my left foot in two places a few years back, and even after the doc released me from his care it STILL didn't feel right for several months, and at one point honestly thought I'd literally never walk right again

The medicals say he's fine, but is he fine in his mind and person... is he 100% comfortable on it in every possible way?

We need to find that out before rushing him in there, IMVHO

Okay but… full go at training camp or doesn’t play at all this season are not the only options.

Guys.

The injury happened 6 months ago and he’s already on the practice field with the team doing everything but 1on1s and team work.

2.5 months before camp snd Andy said with absolute certainty that Josh will be ready by camp

4 full months till the regular season opener.

The only ways Moore beats him is if Josh isn’t fully healthy -or- Moore takes another step in his development and locks down the LT spot with solid play.

Watch us get a 2 for Moore next offseason.

Why does it really suck?

Another season not knowing if we have a LT?

That sucks.

that was after the first offensive line SB meltdown, correct?

I guess I’m more confident in Moore being able to raise the bar this season. I have zero expectations for Simmons this season. I don’t expect him to play any meaningful football in 2025. But like many other rookies, that doesn’t mean he won’t be ready to roll in 2026.

I think the problem here is that you're assuming that the team can't know what they have in him while playing it cautious. If he participates in TC, the preseason, and practices throughout the season, they will know what they have in him.

What we know is irrelevant.

He's just working with trainers in mini camp. As we've seen with guys and this regime, if they get behind, they usually don't catch up.

No, they've already said he's participating in individual drills.

By the way, I remember when you insitstned Worthy would be behind Hardman week 1 for this reason LMAO

KC has made and won SBs with Fisher/Brown Jr./ and the shell of Donovan Smith at LT. The bar for what is needed at the position is quite low. If Moore/Simmons can at least meet or exceed those players, KC will be in good shape.

Video from eagles war room of the trade down that netted us the 5th round pick

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">How Brett Veach got the free 5th round pick from the Eagles, which we traded to get Jeffrey Bassa, while trading back to get Josh Simmons. Would love to hear the Veach side of this convo ��<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://t.co/uDPQzqA4ZS">pic.twitter.com/uDPQzqA4ZS</a></p>&mdash; Chief Concerns (@ConcernsChief) <a href="https://twitter.com/ConcernsChief/status/1919783916275134951?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 6, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I'm still mystified about the Eagles' motivation for that trade, but I'll just say thank you for the free linebacker and we'll move on.

So no team stuff or install?

I'd say the Worthy situation was pretty outlier in that situation, but if we're gonna go with that here, hopefully it works out similarly.

I thought the story was that we had another offer for the pick, so without the trade the Eagles would have been risking that somebody would jump in front of them and take their guy.

Allegedly other teams were asking us for #31, so they needed to make the trade to avoid missing out on the guy we wanted. Two guys who should not have fallen to 31 worked out in our favor. We got an elite prospect and a free mid-round LB.

The eagles GM mentioned that Veach said they were talking to other teams. The eagles GM said that they may be giving them a free pick but I guess they thought it was worth it to secure their guy and eliminate the risk of another team trading into that spot.

Veach asked Rosen if the Eagles wanted to draft Offense or Defense with said pick.

They’ve got a great roster with limited roster spots and also ended up with three 5th rd picks and four 6th rd picks after giving us that freebie.

Next year they have 12 draft picks including three 3rd rd picks, two 4th rd picks and four 5th rd picks.

They’ve got more draft picks than they need

This is weird to me. Let me lay it out…

Eagles: “Yo Chiefs, can we move up 1 spot?”

Chiefs: “Are you taking offense or defense?”

Eagles: “Defense.”

Chiefs: “Ok, deal.”

…WHY would the Eagles move forward with that trade if we had indicated to them we were taking offense. To clarify, when we asked offense or defense, and they responded defense, to which we responded “ok”… we made it clear we were taking offense. So, why didn’t the Eagles just say "never mind,” “no deal,” after they learned we wouldn’t take their defensive target?

Watch Bassa be better than Jihad…

Answer was provided above, apparently, we had other offers.

"168. Last one...obviously..."

I'll give you that one, Howie. That's a damn fine burn right there.

Same thing we did last season with the 49ers.

We've already talked about it in this thread.

"Trade into this spot or I'm trading the pick to someone else..."

Maybe it's a bluff, maybe it isn't. But if there's a guy that seems to be a prime target for someone else, it's a bluff worth making and it doesn't cost you anything.

This has just never seemed that weird to me at all. It's similar to those arguments we have when someone wants to be traded. "Oh well the league knows you have to trade him so they won't give you anything..."

Sure - but we don't have to trade him to YOU. We can trade him anywhere. So you still have to come correct in your offer.

They already have the 3 main pieces. Franchise QB, Franchise Tackle and Franchise Pass Rusher. They could thus afford to make a luxury pick with Linebacker 1.

The Chiefs don't have that luxury since we don't have any Tackles. Now we do. At least we hope we have found the guy.

I wish we would acquire more mid round picks. We only have 6 picks next year. Might be 7 because we are projected to receive a 7th round comp pick for 2026 draft.

I prefer to trade down unless you are targeting QB, Tackle, EDGE or DT. Due to positional value, it does make sense to take a risk and trade away picks to acquire a starter at any of those positions.

But I have to say, in general I'm not a fan of trading up for a receiver, corner, Linebacker, Tight End, Interior OL, etc. (yes I realize it worked out with the McDuffie trade). There is simply too much value to be found in rounds 2 through 5 for non premium positions.

For some reason Veach hates trading down. There is a lot of value in a round 2 through 5 pick if you aren't taking a QB, Tackle or Pass Rusher.

FYI - In this draft that just happened Veach traded down in the first round and added one of those mid-round picks you like as part of it.

I know. Which isn't how he normally operates. I was surprised.

Aha! Maybe the Eagles DID **** up!

“We may have given them a free pick” - Eagles

https://www.reddit.com/r/KansasCityC...m_a_free_pick/

You beat me to it..

But yeah, **** that guy lol At least we got one off him in LVII. Takes some of the bite out of it.

Don't we already have SEVEN due to the Thuney trade?

If you hear Howie, he says "I'm going to do what Veach did to me." It almost appears as if he was fine flipping a 5th just to say to Veach "yea the last pick in the round...obviously" which is what I assume Veach said to him the last time KC beat the Eagles in the SB.

Very odd...

I think Veach already traded it away. Dude just can't help himself.

Thuney pick is gone.

It's what we used to move up and take Williams, IIRC.

we are still getting a 6th for Hopkins loss in Free Agency though

FWIW, we’re projected to get a 7th not a 6th for Hopkins

Moore and Fulton will cut pretty close to Wharton/Reid/Hopkins, though.

I could see that being a 7th when it's all said and done or even falling off the list altogether.

I wouldn't expect a ton from the comp formula. I'd say about a 50% chance we end up with a 7th and a 25% chance (each) we end up with a 6th or nothing at all.

The Eagles wanted Bo Callahan.

It can be nice if you are confident you can get contributing players anywhere in those rounds. But Veach is already among the best GMs in finding those mid-late round gems. Sure, it’s great to add one or two extra Jaylen Watsons or Mike Dannas, but if you’re already bringing in plenty of those guys, it’s way better to take a bigger shot on a player you’re more confident in becoming a stud.

Would you trade Jaylen Watson and Mike Danna for another Trent McDuffie? I sure as hell would.

Wouldn't a more fair question (seeing as how we had to trade up with a 1st) be "Would you trade Jaylen Watson, Mike Danna and George Karlaftis for Trent McDuffie"?

Because you didn't give up a 5th and a 6th to move up there. You gave up those picks AND a 1st, around where Karlaftis was taken, to make that move.

So if you don't have a spare 1st (and we rarely will) then that's the more fair comparison.

It does become a pretty close question at that point...no?

I still do it -- we get the best guy in that deal. But it's not exactly slam dunk, especially had Watson and Danna been able to stay healthy last season.

You're not moving up in the 1st round by trading 7th round picks. That would take a lot more draft capital to accomplish.

Watson is actually outside corner 1 on the team. He's probably a better pure outside corner than McDuffie is. To be completely serious I'd be more confident leaving Watson on an island with AJ Brown than I would with leaving McDuffie on the island with Brown.

Welp, it's official. You're the new dumbest mother****er on CP.

He’s a worse poster than the Mahomes Magic Hawaii kid. That’s surprising

Will you guys please stop quoting him?

I think he may be in love with AJ Brown incidentally

We traded the Thuney 4th to move up for Nohl Williams.
We traded our 6th for Josh Uche last season
We traded a conditional 7th for Peyton Hendershot but it's not known yet if that actually transfers.

It's likely we have our own 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and, as of the current estimate, a comp 6.

What the actual **** are you talking about?? You are going to fit right in with the other idiots in the game day threads..

Aren't you the guy who said Veach should've Madden'd the draft and offered Rashee Rice and some picks to move up from 32 to top 5 overall? LMAO

The key word being "allegedly".

Nice bluff by Veach, because if the Chiefs signed off on Simmons' knee pre-draft - which they obviously did - there was no way in hell we weren't taking Simmons with that pick if he fell that far. Not after the turnstile our LT position was last season, and even with signing Moore.

We weren't going to trade back and blow the amazing sequence of events that had to take place for the Chiefs to have a potential top-of-the-1st-round franchise LT fall into their laps.

Maybe it's a little too obvious, but I assumed it was Cleveland trying to get ahead of Philly, since they took at Schwesinger at the top of the 2nd.

We sent them a 4th rounder to move up 10 spots in the third?!? That's crazy, right?

****ing shit you're a god damn bozo.

Maybe I'm remembering this incorrectly, but I thought we waived Hendershot at some point and that dissolved the conditional pick to Dallas. Then we resigned Hendershot when nobody else claimed him.

Chiefs released him a few weeks after they traded for him and later brought him back to the practice squad

You are mistaken. I said it's good to trade up for a premium position like Tackle or Pass Rusher.

I completely disagree.

Not really when you consider it's a future 4th.

It's a very small overpay by the Rich Hill chart; a bargain by the Parcells chart. By the Rich Hill chart, it had roughly the value of a mid 5. By the Parcells chart it had roughly the value of a current late 4 (in which case there was no 'time value' discount added at all).

More than anything, I remain kinda surprised that a future 4 was the best we could do for him. Felt like we should've gotten at least a future 3 or a current 4. The Sneed return, given his injury history and need for a new contract, seemed like a reasonable baseline for what Thuney should've gotten in return. Especially with as many teams as there were looking for a reliable veteran OG.

But it's possible we were also trying to give Thuney a soft landing and trade him somewhere more desirable.

But we got fair value in exchange for the pick.

At the same time, if you're Philly, is it a bluff you're willing to call?

You have a SB roster -- you don't have a TON of spots open. You also had EIGHT picks in rounds 5 and 6. You don't need that many 3rd day picks.

If all you're doing is giving up one of those 8 picks to just remove the risk of losing your guy, why wouldn't you?

I don't think that's surprising at all and for the Eagles I think it's every bit the no-brainer it was for the Chiefs.

Now the most interesting component is really the flip from 168 to 164. It's possible that being 4 spots higher helped us get that deal done with Pittsburgh for only one additional 7th. We had to use our 'top' 7th rounder to get there; the Carolina 7th. And we didn't have a 6th. So if we're at 168 instead of 164, maybe we have to chip in an additional 7th (which might cost us Brashard Smith) or maybe we can't get it done at all.

And the Eagles took Mondon at 161. Maybe they take Bassa instead with that pick if we can't get just a little more from Howie and are stuck at 168.

Just an interesting demonstration that sometimes every little concession matters.

Wide receiver is a premium position in the NFL, genious

Specifically you said you wanted to see the Chiefs do it for Joe Alt. Throwing in a player or two isn’t going to get that job done

I disagree entirely.

Go look at what they get paid, it's pretty obvious they are.

That's a market inefficiency.

It's really not, top end WR's change the game. It's why it's quickly becoming the highest paid position on offense outside of QB.

I would agree. Justin Jefferson and Ty Hill are able to make an average QB (Darnold/Tua) look way above average. Though they are not a lot of those guys.

You can use us as an example also..

We lose Hill and Kelce declines and our HOF QB doesn't look as good now. Having marginal weapons in today's game creates real issues no matter how good your QB is.

Top Tackles change the game more so than top end WRs.

Sounds like the Chiefs were not alone in their medical evaluation of this kid. Per the report, most teams that this reporter spoke to were not overly concerned with his injury, but more so his character.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Like the draft note about LT Josh Simmons for Kansas City... as we have heard elsewhere it was not as much a matter of the return from injury, but the character concerns. <br><br>I trust Andy Reid to get the best out of him from a mentality perspective, but it would be nice if they… <a href="https://t.co/49NintA02N">pic.twitter.com/49NintA02N</a></p>&mdash; DMac Wake (@DMacWake316) <a href="https://twitter.com/DMacWake316/status/1920162065261736411?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 7, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That stuff was out there before the draft. I call some bullshit on it.

He doesn’t like to practice and isn’t passionate about run-blocking? Sounds an awful lot like a lot of good LT. Like Laremy Tunsil.

Is run blocking really "not important" to him, or does he simply like it less than pass blocking? Big difference.

Whatever bad habits Simmons had in college, they're more likely to improve than to continue. Reid, Heck, and Mahomes won't let him coast in any aspect of his game and let him be a weak link on a title contending team. And with the money he could make as an elite LT, he'll have 100+ million reasons to work hard.

I don't know how a team could not be at least somewhat concerned about a Patella injury, but sure...if they don't like his practice habits... whatever? Seems like teams backfilling, worried the chiefs pulled a fast one, to me.

I think the bottom-line here is Simmons fell bc teams either didn’t have a need for a tackle or they were not in a place to take a risk on him, especially since it’s possible that he could have a redshirt season.

I think a lot had to do with Simmons leaving San Diego and absolutely hating Columbus Ohio and I don't blame him even a little bit.


edit: and frankly a ton of people who like San Diego like KC and vice versa. KC doesn't have the views, but the people are pretty similar in my experience

I disagree. Missouri is MAGA land. Southern California is extreme Anti MAGA.

If that idiot below me quoted me please don't respond so I can continue to ignore his wildly inaccurate opinions

Not exactly true. South of LA is highly Republican in Southern CA.