Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12732881)

So what you're saying is that he's probably not going to get me that SRT Durango for $50K....

So, figure if I wait out the initial hype on that thing that I can find a few still sitting on lots in the spring of '18 for $10K under sticker?

Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 12732897)

I'm with hometeam on this.

Used cars, I always just get a very rough idea of NADA and KBB AND (most importantly) market prices. Then, depending on if there is a large positive variance between the value books and market, it's up to me to determine if I'm wiling to pay market . But unless one is buying a hot commodity car, market and NADA etc 'typically' are in the same wheel house IMO. The last 4 vehicles I've bought have been super painless - can't imagine needing a buyers agent. Hell, when I bought my wifes Beetle, I did everything over email - granted it was a new car so the value is easier to establish. I think I paid 4% over COST (invoice less hold back and any FTD incentives), and they replied back in 10 minutes, done deal. They make some money, and i get fair price. A little research on the part of the buyer and the buyers agent is moot. and 'research', meaning once we knew what car, color.options etc we wanted, spending a few hours browsing online

I'm not spending hours haggling over $500 on a $20k car. To me, buying a car is a breeze these days. To me, it would seem, the market is hyper competitive for dealers / business. I would think they make more money turning cars at a reasonable return, rather than jacking up rates and hoping for some big score/sucker to over pay. just my gut feeling...no evidence to support that theory lol.

Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 12732918)

Yep thats pretty much it.

In fact, dealers would love to go to a no haggle system, where they actually make money on every car, sort of like every other product in the world.

Consumers wont let them. No matter what, every jagoff has to get X amount off of the price. I have people contact me halfway across the country on vehicles (this tells you im the cheapest price in a thousand miles) and still offer me 60% of list price... ARE YOU ****ING HIGH?

Anyways, **** the professional buyer shit and just ask me for help~

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12743529)

Just happened onto this article while trolling down the rabbithole that is Twitter:

http://www.thedrive.com/opinion/5189...h?iid=sr-link1

It's an article that speaks to Paul Walker's GTIII crash a few years back and more critically, the tires on the car. It makes a FANTASTIC point that I hadn't considered.

Tires work not just because of their tread pattern (that's for weather, really), but because of the chemical compounds in them. For your daily driver, it's moot as you wear out the tread before the compounds break down. For a collector's car, OTOH, those chemical compounds will break down before the tread does. So tires that look sound, probably aren't.

My Camaro's sitting on 10 year old tires that look as new as the day they were purchased because I put maybe 500 miles/year on that car. I'm pretty sure this article has convinced me to re-shoe it this spring.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12743529)

Just happened onto this article while trolling down the rabbithole that is Twitter:

http://www.thedrive.com/opinion/5189...h?iid=sr-link1

It's an article that speaks to Paul Walker's GTIII crash a few years back and more critically, the tires on the car. It makes a FANTASTIC point that I hadn't considered.

Tires work not just because of their tread pattern (that's for weather, really), but because of the chemical compounds in them. For your daily driver, it's moot as you wear out the tread before the compounds break down. For a collector's car, OTOH, those chemical compounds will break down before the tread does. So tires that look sound, probably aren't.

My Camaro's sitting on 10 year old tires that look as new as the day they were purchased because I put maybe 500 miles/year on that car. I'm pretty sure this article has convinced me to re-shoe it this spring.