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2011 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=240326)

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 7677931)

How DARE you criticize the Royals? You must be ignorant, jaded and a bitter, bitter person.

BTW: How's that whole "let's fatten up on the Twins this weekend" thing going?

There's a lot to criticize, bud. I completely agree with you there, and I have not bought into the "Glass is fine" line of thought. But it's tough to make a sound argument about the financial approach in the draft. That's all.

I've repeatedly said that signability is still an applicable term (which is why we passed on Porcello and Wieters, in order to spread more money throughout the draft rather than tie a ton up in one player), but we're definitely not cheap.

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 7677941)

http://kansascity.sbnation.com/kansa...ding-to-royals

Maybe we can use the same therapist on this guy that we used on Greinke....

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 7677931)

How DARE you criticize the Royals? You must be ignorant, jaded and a bitter, bitter person.

BTW: How's that whole "let's fatten up on the Twins this weekend" thing going?

I don't care if you criticize the royals. Hell, I criticize the royals. What I do care about is when the criticisms being leveled aren't valid. Like saying they won't spend money on draft picks when they obviously have been for the last 3 or 4 years.

And I'm sorry, but "David Glass is cheap" is a statment that started to fall apart as soon as he began handing out big contracts to guys like Meche and Butler (and Greinke), and when they starting paying out the yin-yang for draft picks and latin american players. Yes, the major league payroll is low this year, but they're tunneling much more money into the minor leagues, those players are starting to cycle up to the major league level, as we've seen with Hosmer and Duffy, and will probably see with Moustakas and others sooner rather than later, and eventually those guys are going to have to be paid.

If, in three or four years, those guys are all playing in some other uniform because Glass isn't willing to pay what it takes to retain them, then I'll be happy to come back and redress this, but for right now, you're just blowing smoke when you're talking about the Royals being cheap in the draft.

That's all I was saying yesterday. Be as bitter as you want to be. Roll around in that defeatist quagmire all you want, man. I got no problem with that. I'm not exactly mr. sunshine and rainbows myself.

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 7677947)

If, in three or four years, those guys are all playing in some other uniform because Glass isn't willing to pay what it takes to retain them,

This is the whole enchilada in one statement. Time will tell, but as of right now, I am going to have to see it to believe it.

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 7677947)

I don't care if you criticize the royals. Hell, I criticize the royals. What I do care about is when the criticisms being leveled aren't valid. Like saying they won't spend money on draft picks when they obviously have been for the last 3 or 4 years.

Three or four out of the last 26 years of cesspool like failure. So I guess you CAN polish a turd?

And I'm sorry, but "David Glass is cheap" is a statment that started to fall apart as soon as he began handing out big contracts to guys like Meche and Butler (and Greinke),

Yeah? What about when Meche handed it back to him? What did we get? The lowest payroll in baseball. Defend that.

and when they starting paying out the yin-yang for draft picks and latin american players.

And how many of them are up with the big club now?

Yes, the major league payroll is low this year, but they're tunneling much more money into the minor leagues, those players are starting to cycle up to the major league level, as we've seen with Hosmer and Duffy, and will probably see with Moustakas and others sooner rather than later, and eventually those guys are going to have to be paid.

Maybe. But with the culture of losing we have, there's nothing that says these guys will have a clue how to win. We had an outfield of Dye-Damon and Beltran, and never won squat. All those players had to go elsewhere to learn how to win. If Glass ponys up to keep them, I'll believe it. If he follows the path of the last 23 years, we'll just trade them out when they hit their peak value, and we'll continue to be an incubator for legit MLB teams. He's gonna have to put up or shut up. And DM's been on the job long enough now that in 2011 we should be having better results than this.

If, in three or four years, those guys are all playing in some other uniform because Glass isn't willing to pay what it takes to retain them, then I'll be happy to come back and redress this, but for right now, you're just blowing smoke when you're talking about the Royals being cheap in the draft.

Well, I certainly have history on my side. I haven't seen anything that could be considered "progress" at the major league level under DM so far. Basically the same old crap in a brand new box. I'm really glad our minor league system is good. Let's start hanging Texas League pennants up in Kauffman Stadium, since that seems to be our measuring stick for greatness now.

That's all I was saying yesterday. Be as bitter as you want to be.

I'm pretty bitter, I'll give you that. 26 years of sucking will do that to you.

Roll around in that defeatist quagmire all you want, man.

I just hate blind optimism. Re-arrange some more deck chairs on the Titanic. At this point we have TWO MORE wins than we did at this point last year. Do you call that progress?

I got no problem with that. I'm not exactly mr. sunshine and rainbows myself.

One day you'll figure out that the Royals are pissing down your back and telling you its raining. And hey, if I hadn't been told at least five or six times over the last three decades "to wait a few more years" I might believe them. I just think this franchise is hopeless under David Glass. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree about that.

It's looking like if the Royals want the best college arm available, Bauer is the guy. I spent some time watching his YouTube vids, and that dude is filthy. Not the build you're necessarily looking for in a #1 starter/high pick, but hard to argue with the results. His warm up is interesting, as for his first warm up toss on the mound, he gets a running start and just lets loose a throw as hard as he can possibly throw it.

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 7677954)

What are you going to do when they have a payroll about at or over $90MM in a few years? They threw away over 70 million on old washed-up has-beens not all that long ago, and Glass has gone on record saying the money they are saving now is being banked for contracts in the future.

Money hasn't been a problem for a while now, our problem has been GM stupidity.

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 7677960)

There's no talking sense to gblowfish. He doesn't waste his time with things like facts or reason.

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 7677960)

People that complain about spending with the Royals are ridiculous. We absolutely COULD be spending more money without any problem. We could have refused to send Yunicorn to Milwaukee and let them keep Escobar. We could have refused to let Meche give us the salary break. We could have re-upped Guillen.

Spending money just to be spending money is how the Royals got to the point they're at right now.

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 7677954)

What's the point in even watching if you believe that? Why not find something else to waste your time and energy on?

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 7677996)

What's the point in even watching if you believe that? Why not find something else to waste your time and energy on?

I have been spending my time on other things, and it's been an eye opener. I used to watch or listen to every Royals game possible, and did so for more than 30 years. Now I don't, because last year the Royals said "wait till 2013."

So I'll start to care again then. I had some expectations that we would see tangible improvement in 2011, but so far, they're just as bad as ever. Look at our starting pitching rotation. That has to be the worst in MLB by far. Chen is your go to guy, and the season collapses when he falls out of the rotation?

Hey, I admire your optimism. I really do. And you know what? Maybe in the next 30 years you'll be rewarded with an 80-win season.

In the meantime, you night want to give Harold Camping a ring out in California and give him all your worldly goods. He promises the rapture is coming in October. He wouldn't lie to you twice....

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 7678022)

So I'll start to care again then. I had some expectations that we would see tangible improvement in 2011, but so far, they're just as bad as ever. Look at our starting pitching rotation. That has to be the worst in MLB by far. Chen is your go to guy, and the season collapses when he falls out of the rotation?

See, that's your problem. Use your head. Why did you expect tangible improvement in 2011? We all knew what the starting rotation was going to be. We all knew what the lineup was going to look like. We all knew that even when the rookies started to hit town, they weren't going to be MVP candidates overnight. So why would there be any improvement now? There certainly wasn't any realistic reason to believe there would be.

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Hey, I admire your optimism.

What optimism?

See, that's what you don't get. I'm not optimistic. I'm realistic. I don't know if the Royals are going to be any better in 2013 than they are now. I only know that there's a chance they will be.

What I don't have are expectations. I'm smart enough to know this was a 65-70 win team in 2011. So I'm not disappointed when they lose a few games. And I'm not ecstatic when they win a few. Hell, any baseball fan who swings back and forth like that's going to have a ulcer by the end of the year anyway, what's the point? It's a 162-game season. It's silly to rise and fall with every loss and win.

Anyway, I'm not optimistic. I just watch and see what happens. I don't predict success. I don't predict failure. I don't cry into my barbecue when they lose and I don't shoot off fireworks when they win. And I certainly don't rant on bulletin boards about how much they suck and how they've always sucked and how they'll always suck because golly-gee willikers nothing in the world ever changes. Wahh wahh wahh.

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In the meantime, you night want to give Harold Camping a ring out in California and give him all your worldly goods. He promises the rapture is coming in October. He wouldn't lie to you twice....

Funny that you'd say that, Mr. "they don't spend money on draft picks". Doom and gloom prediction based on nothing tangible? Sounds a lot more like you than me, my friend.

blowfish, you ignoramus. Yes, the Royals organization has told the fans to "wait a few years" on numerous occasions. Yes, the Royals have pissed down the fans backs before with those kinds of positions. It was obvious that they were pissing down our backs to anyone that knows even half of what you pretend to know about baseball.

THIS TIME is different though. Why? Because it isn't just the Royals saying it. It's everybody in the entire MLB, every scout, every journalistic source, everyone. It's universal, and that has never happened before.

Guys, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

One last thing:
The Royals dumped $44 million in salary from last years team, including trading the ace rotation starter and three starting position players. Let's look at how those 2010 trades are working out so far:

Greinke/Bentancourt trade:
Greinke 4-1, ties best record for any Royals pitcher thus far (Chen) and Greinke was out for a month with a rib injury. Betancourt at .232.
Escobar hitting .204, but much better defense. Let's call that a push. If Escobar can hit at all, it might be an OK trade. Jeffress 1-1, but no major impact. Cain and Odorizzi still in minors, no impact at all.
Milwaukee is 2GB in their division.

DeJesus trade:
Mazzaro has epic record pitching meltdown and banished to minors.
DeJesus starting for A's, hitting .254. A's are 5 GB.

Callapso trade:
O'Sullivan 2-5 with a 6.92 ERA,
Callapso hitting .298 for Angels, who are 2.5 GB.

DM has been on the job for five years. In those five years, the team has lost 90 or more games all but one of those years, and finished in last or next to last in all of those years. He was given a contract extension to 2014.

After this home stand (which is off to a poor start vs worst team in the AL) 60% of the team's remaining games are on the road. Another 90 loss season is looking probable.

I guess when you expect nothing, you can't be disappointed.

At least Omaha is in first in their division, but NW Ark has lost five straight. I'm sure Glass will do something to fix that soon. He hates watching his hometown team lose.

Enjoy the rest of the season. I'm ranted out.