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Hammock Parties 12-07-2005 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by coryt
Funny that everyone is baggin on Plummer for throwing 2 picks, when Trent did too.

Trent's weren't dumbass mistakes.

morphius 12-07-2005 10:52 AM

Anyone who has been watching jake 3 out of the last four games, I didn't watch last weeks closely enough, but in those games he has thrown 13 balls right in the breadbasket of the defenders and luckily for him only had 2 picked off. This could turn out very ugly come playoff time against a good team.

bkkcoh 12-07-2005 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by pikesome
I'd take the clap over Grbac. And no, I'm not kidding.


yeah, in a couple of years you could forget you had the :clap:, but we can never forget that Grbac was our QB... :banghead:

phxchief 12-07-2005 12:49 PM

4th is right where i'd put Green among AFC QBs as well.

He'd lead the league in completion % if he had Tomlinson in the backfield for all those check-downs I see Brees do, with most of them not being at all accurate.

Red Dawg 12-07-2005 12:57 PM

[QUOTE=Gaz]
Plummer is a fine QB as long as he is not expected to carry the team on his shoulders. But let us be fair, how many QBs CAN carry the team?

Plummer is going to give you some pretty good plays, but you have to take the amazingly stupid ones as well. As long as the running game is churning out the yardage, the stupid-to-good ratio is low and he looks like a very good QB. Put the onus of victory on him, and the ratio skyrockets.

That is true of most QBs in the NFL.

xoxo~
Gaz
Thinks Plummer might do okay with KC’s Offense.
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Plummer in KC's offense? I really don't think he could do it. Yes Trent benefits from a running game, all QB's do but Plummer has shown for years that he can't stay in the pocket and play well. He's only played well this year because Shanny has limited his decision making. He's not smart enough to run our offense.

the Talking Can 12-07-2005 12:59 PM

Plummber couldn't run KC's offense...a moran could run Denver's offense.

Gaz 12-07-2005 01:00 PM

I'll still take Green, thanks, but...
 

Plummer with a good OL and a running game [ie: KC] is nothing to sneer at.

xoxo~
Gaz
Would rather not find out, though.

Lbedrock1 12-07-2005 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Kclee
Everyone has been questioning Jake again since the K.C. game. Anyone notice that? Like on PTI they talked about Jake going back to his old self because of the KC game. I love it, I hope it gets in his head and he chokes per usual.

I think that is crap, he has his team is first place and has been playing well. Im upset about what they are saying about him now because it is a dump on the Chiefs D. They can't be that good because Jake is a bad QB? I found that he got all the praise before he played the Chiefs so maybe just maybe the Chiefs D caused him to look bad.

donkhater 12-07-2005 01:18 PM

Jake would stink in an offense like KC's. He just isn't accurate enough in the pocket.

On a related note, I shudder to think what Shanahan could do with a Mike Vick (or Vince Young) at QB. Or for that matter if Mora Jr, woul dever get wise and install a system similar to Denver's. He already has Gibbs cut blocking technique.

jspchief 12-07-2005 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by morphius
Anyone who has been watching jake 3 out of the last four games, I didn't watch last weeks closely enough, but in those games he has thrown 13 balls right in the breadbasket of the defenders and luckily for him only had 2 picked off. This could turn out very ugly come playoff time against a good team.

He's been doing it all year. He may be making less poor decisions, but he's had a lot of INTs that the defenders just dropped.

I wouldn't be suprised if he crumbled somewhere down the stretch, when team start catching those INTs instead of dropping them. It will be fun to watch the media crucify him for the choke job.

steelyeyed57 12-07-2005 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Lbedrock1
I think that is crap, he has his team is first place and has been playing well. Im upset about what they are saying about him now because it is a dump on the Chiefs D. They can't be that good because Jake is a bad QB? I found that he got all the praise before he played the Chiefs so maybe just maybe the Chiefs D caused him to look bad.


I agree. Jake is playing well this year, and I wouldn't qualify his picks as bonehead plays. One one pick he had a guy open in the endzone, but warfield tipped it into surtain's hands. Aside from his two picks, he played a whale of a game. Our defense had him dead to rights in several situations and he found somebody and gained major yardage.

That said, our defense contained the running attack and plummer, kept us in the game, and in the end made a huge stop to win the game.

It's a compliemnt to OUR DEFENSE, not a detriment to Jake Plummer.

morphius 12-07-2005 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief
He's been doing it all year. He may be making less poor decisions, but he's had a lot of INTs that the defenders just dropped.

I wouldn't be suprised if he crumbled somewhere down the stretch, when team start catching those INTs instead of dropping them. It will be fun to watch the media crucify him for the choke job.

If a team can play good against the run, there are a couple teams that have showed how easy it is to stop the D if you can stop the bootleg plays. Their red zone game needs that play to work, and if you don't stop it they will kill you with it everytime they get down there.

morphius 12-07-2005 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by steelyeyed57
I agree. Jake is playing well this year, and I wouldn't qualify his picks as bonehead plays. One one pick he had a guy open in the endzone, but warfield tipped it into surtain's hands. Aside from his two picks, he played a whale of a game. Our defense had him dead to rights in several situations and he found somebody and gained major yardage.

That said, our defense contained the running attack and plummer, kept us in the game, and in the end made a huge stop to win the game.

It's a compliemnt to OUR DEFENSE, not a detriment to Jake Plummer.

Are you forgetting the 2 picks that Warfield dropped? One of those would have gone for a TD and the other would have been an easy INT if Rod Smith hadn't have grabbed his arm, because the lob ball hit him right in the numbers.

Hydrae 12-07-2005 02:44 PM

I think we are just seeing the "normal" Jake right now. He has had a nice string with no inteceptions but the Cowboys broke that streak and KC made sure he didn't start another one. For this reason and this reason only, I think Denver will have to be lucky to actually win the division.

phxchief 12-07-2005 02:55 PM

People forget that Trent doesn't have a Chad Johnson or a Marvin Harrison.

Sure, he's got Gonzo, and he enjoys solid protection, but that doesn't hold a candle to Peyton Manning who gets all day to throw after handing off to a top 3 RB before throwing to the best collection of WRs in the NFL in a dome that suits their game.


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