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htismaqe 03-03-2005 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by bkkcoh
But Hartwell's contract may translate into more years with a slightly bigger signing bonus so that would equal out over the life of the contract for salary caps purposes...
Any contract over 4-years in length will have the bonus pro-rated as if it were a 4-year deal, due to the CBA expiring.

eazyb81 03-03-2005 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by tomahawk kid
If he truly wants to be a Chief, it shouldn't be an issue.

KC CAN"T use the "afford" excuse this year either. We've got 1 more shot at this thing and the FO can't worry about where we're going to be cap-wise in 3 years.

I think its pretty simple here:

If Gun wants Rolle, you find a way to get it done.

If Hartwell wants to be here, you find a way to get it done.

There is no "next year"; no "tommorrow".

I think that our chances of signing these guys drops significantly if they leave KC to visit other teams. They need to get these guys under contract TODAY and move forward from there.
I agree with everything you say, but no matter what we all say this is still a business to Lamar and Carl. They want to get a really good player, but they also don't want to feel like they spent too much. Peterson will sign some free agents but i'm not sure if he will sign the most expensive guys. I would love Hartwell but i'm just not sold that CP will do whatever it takes to get him, and would rather sign Trotter because he will probably cost less.

tomahawk kid 03-03-2005 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by nmt1
They should and they will.
Why should they?

Based on the signing bonus escalations coming in 2006, this team is probably going to look significantly different after 2005 anyway you cut it.

Players like Roaf, Shields, Holmes, Richardson etc. are not getting any younger.

You are already starting to "push it" in terms of this offense maintaining their production at their current level.

You have to do something agressive NOW, in order to make a run at this thing in 2005.

nmt1 03-03-2005 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by tomahawk kid
Why should they?

Based on the signing bonus escalations coming in 2006, this team is probably going to look significantly different after 2005 anyway you cut it.

Players like Roaf, Shields, Holmes, Richardson etc. are not getting any younger.

You are already starting to "push it" in terms of this offense maintaining their production at their current level.

You have to do something agressive NOW, in order to make a run at this thing in 2005.
Are you going to take out 2nd and 3rd mortgages right now just because you want a better house before the sun blows up?

tomahawk kid 03-03-2005 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by nmt1
Are you going to take out 2nd and 3rd mortgages right now just because you want a better house before the sun blows up?
If I know for a FACT that the sun IS going to blow up does it matter?

We're dead anyway.

KCTitus 03-03-2005 10:01 AM
If KC's going to pony up jack, dont piss it away on an 'iffy' knee...there are other LB's out there.

HC_Chief 03-03-2005 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by nmt1
Are you going to take out 2nd and 3rd mortgages right now just because you want a better house before the sun blows up?
This is the last year in our window of opportunity. Green will be 35, Holmes is coming off another injury-shortened season, Roaf, Shields, and Richardson are all over 34 (or will be by the end of '05). The one area of this team that is already, and HAS BEEN, SB-calibre is getting old. We must strike now, or scrap it and rebuild.

Personally, I think we blew it. Last year was the year and the FO sat on their hands.

KCTitus 03-03-2005 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by HC_Chief
Personally, I think we blew it. Last year was the year and the FO sat on their hands.
I think 2003 was the year making this year their 'second' attempt with DV.

The Bad Guy 03-03-2005 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Any contract over 4-years in length will have the bonus pro-rated as if it were a 4-year deal, due to the CBA expiring.
5 years. Teams can only pro rate bonuses 5 years from what I read.

The Bad Guy 03-03-2005 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by nmt1
Are you going to take out 2nd and 3rd mortgages right now just because you want a better house before the sun blows up?
Yes. What are we going to do? Wait 13 more years for a playoff win?

htismaqe 03-03-2005 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy
5 years. Teams can only pro rate bonuses 5 years from what I read.
I heard Pete Prisco and Howard Balzer both say 4. So I don't know.

That being said, his point is still likely valid, because Hartwell would likely be a 4 or 5-year deal, while Trotter is more like a 2-year deal.

nmt1 03-03-2005 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by HC_Chief
Personally, I think we blew it. Last year was the year and the FO sat on their hands.
Well then there's no hope. Guess I'll start watching tennis.

tomahawk kid 03-03-2005 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy
Yes. What are we going to do? Wait 13 more years for a playoff win?
Not to mention 35 more years for a SuperBowl Ring.

the Talking Can 03-03-2005 10:06 AM
we "blew it" when Holliday/McCleon/Barber turned out to be busts...CP/Coaches, they all deserve credit for that

nmt1 03-03-2005 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy
Yes. What are we going to do? Wait 13 more years for a playoff win?
I'll be a fan 13 years from now playoff wins or not. Will you?


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