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jspchief 06-22-2005 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by tyton75
I dont' know if I like having Bell in the middle either.. although I think he would be great... i think he would be even better playing his natural position

same idea of moving Bartee to CB.. bad idea!

His natural position? OLB isn't his natural position. ILB in a 3-4 is.

milkman 06-22-2005 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief
Yes. Bell in the middle.

The only reason to put him on the outside is his pass rushing skills. But rushing the passer is only a small fraction of an OLB's duties. Besides that, I think rushing oLBs is ineffective overall. Name an OLB in a 4-3 that gets a lot of sacks.

Bell will be exposed in pass coverage. As was stated by htismaqe in another thread, if we play Bell on the outside, we're going to turn him into another Gary Stills.

Except that Bell will actually get some sacks.

RealSNR 06-22-2005 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief
Name an OLB in a 4-3 that gets a lot of sacks.

Derrick Thomas?

TRing 06-22-2005 09:09 AM

jsp you made me turn over a new leaf. Bell in the middle!!!!

jspchief 06-22-2005 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by SideWinder
Except that Bell will actually get some sacks.

Enough to counteract him getting burnt in pass coverage?

Name the last OLB in a 4-3 to post double digit sacks.

jspchief 06-22-2005 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR
Derrick Thomas?

Good example. He did it in the mid 90s. Even he was becoming less effective late in his career.

And offenses have changed that much more in the last 5+ years.

There is a reason it isn't happening, and it's not lack of talent. Offenses are just too adept at reading OLB rushes, and dumping the ball off.

TRing 06-22-2005 09:13 AM

so jsp who are you wanting at the other OLB pos.? just curious

milkman 06-22-2005 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief
Enough to counteract him getting burnt in pass coverage?

Name the last OLB in a 4-3 to post double digit sacks.

Not the point.
I'm suggesting that the comparison to Stills is invalid, cause Bell is a player, who will make plays.
Stills is just a useles piece of crap on the defense.

tyton75 06-22-2005 09:16 AM

My opinion, and I think Gun would agree, if you have a guy who has a knack for getting after the QB.. you put him in the best position to succeed.. Bell is best suited for OLB in a 4-3 scheme and he is great at the point of attack

Honestly, I'm just really *****ing glad that we got him and he BETTER stay healthy!

Kylo Ren 06-22-2005 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief
This LB thing is a clusterfuck.
So if Fox is ready to start, and Bell is the other OLB, that puts DJ, Barber, and Fujita on the bench. That's 5 good to solid LBs.

Meanwhile, we have a mediocre Mitchell in the middle, with Scatlon, Boomer, and Maz on the bench.

Seems like we have a surplus of good OLBs, and still don't have anyone solid in the middle. I hope Gun puts Bell at MLB.

There’s no way DJ should be or will be on the bench. He’ll start and so will Bell. If Fox is doing so well, put him in the middle. Or, put Bell in the middle and Fox on the outside. We need the 3 best LB on the field. Also, can we risk those first 4 games of the season with Mitchell as our starting MLB? I have little confidence in him. I hope I’m wrong about Mitchell.

Here’s my choice of opening day LB squad:
D.J. – OLB
Bell – MLB
Fox – OLB
Fujita – backup OLB
Mitchell – backup MLB
Stills – backup OLB
Grigsby – ST

Scanlon – PS
Barber – PUP

Maz – cut / retire
Kris Griffin – cut
Caver - cut

Chris Meck 06-22-2005 09:17 AM

How about Holdman two years ago in Chicago?

Thing about a 3-4 is that our linebackers would be a tad on the light side for such things. We could spot it here and there, though, in like second and long and situations. That could be interesting.

HC_Chief 06-22-2005 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR
Derrick Thomas?

He played more of the DE position than OLB; from the traditional sense.

jspchief 06-22-2005 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TRing
so jsp who are you wanting at the other OLB pos.? just curious

I'm not set on any one guy.

Fox looked good in mini-camp, and the coaches are high on him.

DJ was a stud in college. If he can make the jump his rookie year, fine.

I still think Fujita isn't bad. I think he's suffered from lack of talent in the middle.

I'm not a big fan of Barber. I wouldn't mind we reached an injury agreement with him. At the same time, if he can just start tackling better, I'm ok with him too.

I guess that's part of my point. The worst of our OLBs will likely be Barber and Fujita, and I think they are solid. Meanwhile, our best MLB at this point is a questionable Mitchell.

Rukdafaidas 06-22-2005 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy
You realize this will lead to the dreaded "What about a 3-4 defense?" discussion.

I'm thinking we could see a lot of 3-4 and I have mixed feelings. I think we have the linebackers for it, but I don't think we have the ends for the 3-4. We could move Browning to end, but would Hicks be effective? I doubt it. Allen and Hall, IMO, are too small to play the 3-4.

Coach 06-22-2005 09:23 AM

I just wish the Chiefs would get a injury settlement on Barber and Maz, so that's two positions that we don't have to worry about, and be able to recover some of the money from that. Unfortunately, that isn't going to happen.


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