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MOhillbilly 01-23-2006 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier
No, that's what Joe Posnanski said what Carl feels takling about how if given the choice of playoff seasons year in and year out with no guarantee of a super bowl or a superbowl but five 4 win seasons after that he would take the playoffs every year and hope to make the superbowl. There wasn't a quote from Carl about that.

What?

BigChiefFan 01-23-2006 10:13 AM

We AREN'T in the NFC, so why all the hypothetical what-ifs? The bottomline is we haven't won a playoff game in over a decade, but ownership couldn't be happier with the job Carl is doing. It's depressing to think our team has sucked for as long as they have and the powers that be are content.

Dr. Van Halen 01-23-2006 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier
No, that's what Joe Posnanski said what Carl feels takling about how if given the choice of playoff seasons year in and year out with no guarantee of a super bowl or a superbowl but five 4 win seasons after that he would take the playoffs every year and hope to make the superbowl. There wasn't a quote from Carl about that.

Messier, how dare you bring truth into this! CP is evil, therefore the Chiefs suck!

Now, can we talk about baseball or golf?

Sincerely,
D. Clinkscale

ps -- I am very smart (compared to other broadcasters in this building)

HMc 01-23-2006 10:19 AM

One of the problems, in my opinion, is that the cardinals, saints and 49ers (for example) will make not a whole lot less profit than the Seahawks, Steelers and Broncos. Most of the cash is the even split from the DGR, and it doesn't provide financial incentive to win. Football teams are expensive businesses and owners may well want a return, every season.

If the after-costs money was split proportionally to performance (i.e. reverse of the draft order) (so a team covers its costs but they have to win to profit), you'd see the Cardinals winning more games and the Chiefs winning more playoff games.

MOhillbilly 01-23-2006 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by HMc
One of the problems, in my opinion, is that the cardinals, saints and 49ers (for example) will make not a whole lot less profit than the Seahawks, Steelers and Broncos. Most of the cash is the even split from the DGR, and it doesn't provide financial incentive to win. Football teams are expensive businesses and owners may well want a return, every season.

If the after-costs money was split proportionally to performance (i.e. reverse of the draft order) (so a team covers its costs but they have to win to profit), you'd see the Cardinals winning more games and the Chiefs winning more playoff games.

thats one of the best cop-outs ive ever read.

Thanks for clearing that up MR. Peterson.

ChiTown 01-23-2006 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief
Yeah, we fared REAL well against our NFC opponents this year :rolleyes:

No chit.

1-3, and we lost to Philly at Home!!!!!!!!!

HMc 01-23-2006 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly
thats one of the best cop-outs ive ever read.

Thanks for clearing that up MR. Peterson.

Cop out? WTF are you on about? I'm pointing out that there are greater financial incentives associated with having constant 9-7, 10-6 seasons, than there are with going 4-12 for a couple of years then winning the superbowl. That seems the accepted wisdom, anyway.

Change that, however you want to do it, and i'd bet that a) some of the perrenial cellar dwellers would start to perform, and b) the chiefs would start pushing into the playoffs. But then there might be 3-13 seasons aswell.

greg63 01-23-2006 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief
With Seattle going to the SB this year, it makes this stat official: EVERY SINGLE AFCW TEAM OTHER THAN THE KC CHIEFS HAS HAD AT LEAST ONE SUPERBOWL APPEARANCE SINCE THE BEGINNING OF CARL PETERSON'S TENURE. :grr:...


Hey, he's only in his fifteenth year of his five year plan to get there; give the poor guy a chance. :p


I really don't understand Hunt's infatuation with the guy.

htismaqe 01-23-2006 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by greg63
I really don't understand Hunt's infatuation with the guy.

$$$

ChiTown 01-23-2006 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by HMc
Cop out? WTF are you on about? I'm pointing out that there are greater financial incentives associated with having constant 9-7, 10-6 seasons, than there are with going 4-12 for a couple of years then winning the superbowl. That seems the accepted wisdom, anyway.

Change that, however you want to do it, and i'd bet that a) some of the perrenial cellar dwellers would start to perform, and b) the chiefs would start pushing into the playoffs. But then there might be 3-13 seasons aswell.

That's been the problem with the Chiefs for a while. We haven't been willing to field a 3-13 type team, for fear of fan retaliation (poor attendance). No, what we did was to put band aids on broken pipes for the last 8+ years (since the 1998 playoff game against Denver). It's called false hope. The Chiefs have been selling winning seasons since the early 1990's, but the product has no guts to it. No playoff wins in the last 12 years? Are you fuggin kidding me?

I don't wanna hear from CP how fuggin close we are, have been, going be to being a SB contender. We're no closer to that objective than we were when CP took over the Management of this Franchise in the late 80's. Seattle going to the SB just emphasizes how FN pathetic we truely have been.

MOhillbilly 01-23-2006 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by HMc
Cop out? WTF are you on about? I'm pointing out that there are greater financial incentives associated with having constant 9-7, 10-6 seasons, than there are with going 4-12 for a couple of years then winning the superbowl. That seems the accepted wisdom, anyway.

Change that, however you want to do it, and i'd bet that a) some of the perrenial cellar dwellers would start to perform, and b) the chiefs would start pushing into the playoffs. But then there might be 3-13 seasons aswell.

Its all about SB wins dude. Ive never heard a coach say "well its ok we suck cause we still made money through the CBA"
ever see a player or coach wearing a runners up SB ring?

Its all about SB wins.

Nzoner 01-23-2006 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown
That's been the problem with the Chiefs for a while. We haven't been willing to field a 3-13 type team, for fear of fan retaliation (poor attendance). No, what we did was to put band aids on broken pipes for the last 8+ years (since the 1998 playoff game against Denver). It's called false hope. The Chiefs have been selling winning seasons since the early 1990's, but the product has no guts to it. No playoff wins in the last 12 years? Are you fuggin kidding me?

I don't wanna hear from CP how fuggin close we are, have been, going be to being a SB contender. We're no closer to that objective than we were when CP took over the Management of this Franchise in the late 80's. Seattle going to the SB just emphasizes how FN pathetic we truely have been.

Well put and the reason I'm done "buying" into the hype of a winning season.

greg63 01-23-2006 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
$$$

AAHH yes; I was operating under the assumption that a SB was a priority for Lamar, and forgot about the money factor.

Ozarks-Chiefs-Fan 01-23-2006 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown
That's been the problem with the Chiefs for a while. We haven't been willing to field a 3-13 type team, for fear of fan retaliation (poor attendance). No, what we did was to put band aids on broken pipes for the last 8+ years (since the 1998 playoff game against Denver). It's called false hope. The Chiefs have been selling winning seasons since the early 1990's, but the product has no guts to it. No playoff wins in the last 12 years? Are you fuggin kidding me?

I don't wanna hear from CP how fuggin close we are, have been, going be to being a SB contender. We're no closer to that objective than we were when CP took over the Management of this Franchise in the late 80's. Seattle going to the SB just emphasizes how FN pathetic we truely have been.

well put

ChiTown 01-23-2006 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by greg63
AAHH yes; I was operating under the assumption that a SB was a priority for Lamar, and forgot about the money factor.

Don't kid yourself. Lamar want's another SB in the worse way, hell, I'm sure he'd like to see the Chiefs name on his own Trophy (AFC Champs) before he dies. But, CP has convinced him that he's doing the right things (winning, making money, selling out the stadium, etc.) and it will eventually get him the SB. What he hasn't been completely truthful about is that his system doesn't work beyond the regular season. When the rubber meets the road, his system fails to perform. I'm sad to say that the owner purchased the same fools gold we've all been buying for the last 15+ years.

WE WUZ ROOOOOOOOOOOOOBBED! :p


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