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Rain Man 07-26-2006 03:53 PM

Yeah, felonies are brutal. I know someone with a felony record, and I think that some of the long-term punishments really outweigh the person's crime. (And he did commit a crime, but still...he paid his dues long ago.)

I agree with Big Daddy on this one. There's too much enthusiasm about making crimes felonies with no regard to the fact that the person then can't vote, own a gun, etc. The person that I know wrote some bad checks. Okay, a lot of bad checks. But it was more of a business screwup than an intentional crime. And now he can't vote in an election? And he had to give up his gun collection? Come on.

Adept Havelock 07-26-2006 03:54 PM

This is a pretty good description of such a scenario, written over 75 years ago. Haven't read it in 15 years or more, but it held up pretty well over the years, IIRC.

<a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0451529294/sr=8-1/qid=1153950776/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-1721350-2243806?ie=UTF8">It Can't Happen Here by Sinclair Lewis</a>

If Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag, and carrying the cross. -Sinclair Lewis

Logical 07-26-2006 04:01 PM

One example. The next Presidential election occurs and Bush refuses to turn the Presidency over to the rightful winner.

BIG_DADDY 07-26-2006 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man
Yeah, felonies are brutal. I know someone with a felony record, and I think that some of the long-term punishments really outweigh the person's crime. (And he did commit a crime, but still...he paid his dues long ago.)

I agree with Big Daddy on this one. There's too much enthusiasm about making crimes felonies with no regard to the fact that the person then can't vote, own a gun, etc. The person that I know wrote some bad checks. Okay, a lot of bad checks. But it was more of a business screwup than an intentional crime. And now he can't vote in an election? And he had to give up his gun collection? Come on.

Or even have the most basic right to simply be able to protect your family.

Rain Man 07-26-2006 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Logical
One example. The next Presidential election occurs and Bush refuses to turn the Presidency over to the rightful winner.

Now that's a good one.

Interestingly, though, if he did that, the Constitution would still say that the new president is president, right? So I would think that the armed forces would be legally obligated to help the new president throw him out of the White House. In that case, there would have to be a precursor where the current president tried to pass some sort of law to pre-empt presidential elections "in an emergency" or something. And then he'd have to invoke it. Am I right? Or am I just rambling?

The Dude Abides 07-26-2006 04:10 PM

Its good to know some people understand the difficulties of having a felony, even if its over a decade old. If any one knows of a job opportunity in or around Wichita, I would be grateful, and even rethink my stance on the armed uprising!

Chiefs Minor Satellite 07-26-2006 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Logical
One example. The next Presidential election occurs and Bush refuses to turn the Presidency over to the rightful winner.

If Clinton didn't do that what makes you think that Bush would?

Raiderhater 07-26-2006 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs Minor Satellite
If Clinton didn't do that what makes you think that Bush would?


He's been hanging around Denise too long.

burt 07-26-2006 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man
Now that's a good one.

Interestingly, though, if he did that, the Constitution would still say that the new president is president, right? So I would think that the armed forces would be legally obligated to help the new president throw him out of the White House. In that case, there would have to be a precursor where the current president tried to pass some sort of law to pre-empt presidential elections "in an emergency" or something. And then he'd have to invoke it. Am I right? Or am I just rambling?


you're rambling......

Chiefs Minor Satellite 07-26-2006 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by raiderhader
He's been hanging around Denise too long.

ROFL

Eleazar 07-26-2006 04:33 PM

If there's ever a day when there are threads about "Ass Pennies". er-

Rain Man 07-26-2006 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dale Mercer
you're rambling......

Oh. Sorry. I tend to do that on Constitutional Law issues.

burt 07-26-2006 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man
Oh. Sorry. I tend to do that on Constitutional Law issues.

I sugggest that you use the "Adept Havelock" method. Ramble in really big words....no one will know that you are rambling.... ROFL ROFL

RealSNR 07-26-2006 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter
If they ever suggest that I won't AT LEAST get what I've paid into social security (including employer share) back, and with interest.

Come on fellas, there would be a whole lot us average Americans willing to take up arms over that one.

"Come on....make my day, Senator." :D

Woah... Shay's Rebellion II

The Dude Abides 07-26-2006 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR
Woah... Shay's Rebellion II

Nice historical reference!


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