Originally Posted by Chiefs_Mike_Topeka

Fug you people kill me!! STFU and get over this "Bill is no Roy" bullshit. Bill Self is one of the top 5 coaches in the NCAA. It's as if you don't even watch the games. Hell just read the article it tells you what you need to know. He is such a good coach that he can coach his team to play any style a team throws at him. Regardless of what you think there is no way you can just run and run and run against every team. There are teams out there that are put together specifically to stop that. And for an example look at the MU-KU game at the Phog. MU played zone that whole game and bailed out 3 people on every shot to get back and stop the break. They slowed the game way down and drug it into the mud. KU played that style and gutted out a win. In the game at Missouri MU played their regular style of pressing and gunning and KU ran them out of the building.

Bottom line is that regardless of the offensive talent you have assembled if you can't/don't play defense YOU WILL NOT WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP! And you have to be able to adjust to any style of game. To me the mark of a bad coach is to refuse to change how you approach a game. (Hence why I think Herm Edwards is a friggin moron) Bill Self can coach any style and get his players to buy in. And if they won't they are gone; Padgett, Downs, etc.

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

I will be the first to tell you that Bill Self is not a top 5 coach in the NCAA.

Originally Posted by Laz

wow .... nice homer glasses

Originally Posted by leviw

Is this not what I've been saying all year?

This team can run if they want, but why? They're winning when they're not running. I love what he did against OU. The ability to be able to switch up and play the grind-it out style or pick up the tempo, press and run is great. Self has done both, but he prefers the grind-it out style...and, like I said, it's working, so what's wrong with it?

Originally Posted by Chiefs_Mike_Topeka

Fug you people kill me!! STFU and get over this "Bill is no Roy" bullshit. Bill Self is one of the top 5 coaches in the NCAA. It's as if you don't even watch the games. Hell just read the article it tells you what you need to know. He is such a good coach that he can coach his team to play any style a team throws at him. Regardless of what you think there is no way you can just run and run and run against every team. There are teams out there that are put together specifically to stop that. And for an example look at the MU-KU game at the Phog. MU played zone that whole game and bailed out 3 people on every shot to get back and stop the break. They slowed the game way down and drug it into the mud. KU played that style and gutted out a win. In the game at Missouri MU played their regular style of pressing and gunning and KU ran them out of the building.

Bottom line is that regardless of the offensive talent you have assembled if you can't/don't play defense YOU WILL NOT WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP! And you have to be able to adjust to any style of game. To me the mark of a bad coach is to refuse to change how you approach a game. (Hence why I think Herm Edwards is a friggin moron) Bill Self can coach any style and get his players to buy in. And if they won't they are gone; Padgett, Downs, etc.

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

I will be the first to tell you that Bill Self is not a top 5 coach in the NCAA.

Originally Posted by Chiefs_Mike_Topeka

Call it homer glasses if you want. But everything I stated is objective and true. I just don't have this stupid obsession with Bill Self not being as good as Roy. I think Bill Self is every bit as good a coach as Roy. And in alot of ways better. Roy could never make adjustments if a game was going sideways.

Originally Posted by Laz

this thread is about whether Self wants to run the ball .... not a comparison to Roy Williams

you the one that is trying to make it about Roy.

Originally Posted by Chiefs_Mike_Topeka

Ohh really? And I wonder how all you people that want to see the Hawks run got the impression that the Hawks don't run enough based on what? Because the last coach was sure known to play slow half court tough basketball.

Originally Posted by Laz

no ... it's not

i said Self didn't like to run .... you disagreed



you were wrong

Originally Posted by leviw

They do run, but near as much as Roy did. They don't rely on the secondary break, because the offense works. Push it (after turnovers, which they get a ton of) when it's available, otherwise, why wouldn't you instruct your players to slow it down and play what you practice?

Originally Posted by Laz

jesus christ .... everytime someone brings up the coaching style of Bill Self you start crying about Roy William. :shake:


The Jayhawks have the athletes and depth to run 50% of the teams they face out of the building.

Self doesn't like to do that, so the Jayhawks are missing out on using a valuable weapon (in the opinion of some).

Originally Posted by Chiefs_Mike_Topeka

Yeah and that "valuable weapon" is really killing them. How will they ever be a good team??

Originally Posted by DaWolf

The fact is yes you can run 50% of the teams out of the building but what happens against those teams that don't allow you to do that well? KU has played many styles of hoops over the years but none of it has won a championship since '88.

It really doesn't matter what style we run though, if BRush and Wright show up ready to play, no one will beat KU...

Originally Posted by Laz

i'm sorry ....... i don't recall saying that KU should run EVERY game.

i merely think that Bill Self shouldn't let his phobia of giving up an easy basket deprive KU of a valuable weapon.