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bobbything 09-17-2008 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by TN_Chief (Post 5027677)
It's also a fact that when you look at the team's play there is absolutely no sense of a team moving in a positive direction together.
Amen. This is my biggest concern. Not once, in the last 11 games, have I seen any signs of this team making progress. The offensive line hasn't gotten any better at all in 11 games. The QB can't stay healthy in 11 games. The WR's have regressed in 11 games. LJ has gotten worse in 11 games. The defense hasn't gotten any better (and to be fair, any worse) in 11 games.

This is not good. I haven't seen anything in 11 games that gives me any indication that we're moving in the right direction.

If we're losing and you can see the proverbial "light bulb" go on every 3rd game or so, then I can accept it. That hasn't happened.

milkman 09-17-2008 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by bobbything (Post 5027872)
Amen. This is my biggest concern. Not once, in the last 11 games, have I seen any signs of this team making progress. The offensive line hasn't gotten any better at all in 11 games. The QB can't stay healthy in 11 games. The WR's have regressed in 11 games. LJ has gotten worse in 11 games. The defense hasn't gotten any better (and to be fair, any worse) in 11 games.

This is not good. I haven't seen anything in 11 games that gives me any indication that we're moving in the right direction.

If we're losing and you can see the proverbial "light bulb" go on every 3rd game or so, then I can accept it. That hasn't happened.
Again, you are missing the bog picture here.

The roster was blown up after last season, and we've gone from one of the oldest rosters to one of the youngest to start this season, so that whole "light bulb every three games" things wouldn't have it's first flash until this game against Atlanta.

The problem we have is that there isn't a single bulb to found among the coaches.

It's like they're trying to light a camp lantern while submerged in the lake.

triple 09-17-2008 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5027904)
Again, you are missing the bog picture here.

The roster was blown up after last season, and we've gone from one of the oldest rosters to one of the youngest to start this season, so that whole "light bulb every three games" things wouldn't have it's first flash until this game against Atlanta.

The problem we have is that there isn't a single bulb to found among the coaches.

It's like they're trying to light a camp lantern while submerged in the lake.
it's more like watching a group of preschoolers try to convince us they can build a rocket ship out of cardboard and trash cans.

Rain Man 09-17-2008 08:38 AM
Bob Gretz really doesn't like fans, does he?

Fairplay 09-17-2008 08:44 AM
Gretz and Herm think that the average Chief fans are dumb.

I could bitch slap the both of them for that kind of thinking.

The Bad Guy 09-17-2008 09:01 AM
What a load of shit.

The problem isn't the rebuilding.

It's the people leading the rebuild, and the fact we don't have a QB to build around.

It's like saying you are going to rebuild your house, but you plan on hiring a blind contractor and getting laborers who have heart problems and can't finish the job.

luv 09-17-2008 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5027795)

We are progressing talent wise, but we aren't progressing philosophically.
Without proper training and guidance, the talent will cease to progress as well.

triple 09-17-2008 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by luv (Post 5027986)
Without proper training and guidance, the talent will cease to progress as well.
it hasn't really started. we have a bunch of young guys who are just raw and seem to be coaching themselves

luv 09-17-2008 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by triple (Post 5027990)
it hasn't really started. we have a bunch of young guys who are just raw and seem to be coaching themselves
I was figuring that they had good coaching in college, so the talent progressed there, but now there's no one to take them over the hump into the NFL level of talent.

HemiEd 09-17-2008 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by orange (Post 5027702)
"Fans want the Chiefs to go out and sign somebody, anybody. Others want somebody fired. It doesn’t matter who."

No, no, no. Gretz, this is patently untrue.

Fans want the Chiefs to go out and sign NEW COACHES and a NEW GM. It most certainly DOES "matter who."

It's NOT the young players that Chiefs fans are fed up with.

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Every time I see one of these kcchiefs.com articles I'm amazed. How many businesses can get away with blatant lies and openly calling their customers idiots on their website?! If you dont believe monopolies are inherently evil, this should be all you need to see to change your mind.
See Bob, a Bronco fan clearly understands.

HemiEd 09-17-2008 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5027822)
I think that first series against Chicago scared the hell of of Herman ****ing Edwards.
I can almost hear the conversation.

Herman ****ing Edwards calling up to the coach's box, "Chan, what were you thinking on that series?"

Chan, "well coach, I was thinking that using a couple of play action passes, a couple of fake tosses and boot legs that we could get the defense off balance, get the ball downfield and move the chains, and perhaps score a TD."

Herman ****ing Edwards, "Well Chan, that's arena ball, and we can't win unless we use Dustin Colquitt, so don't do it again."
The scary part, that just might have happened. Maybe not just like that, but I am convinced Herm has a leash and collar on Chan.

OnTheWarpath15 09-17-2008 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Fairplay (Post 5027924)
Gretz and Herm think that the average Chief fans are dumb.

I could bitch slap the both of them for that kind of thinking.
If you use this place as a sampling, then they are absolutely right.

OnTheWarpath15 09-17-2008 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by orange (Post 5027702)
"Fans want the Chiefs to go out and sign somebody, anybody. Others want somebody fired. It doesn’t matter who."

No, no, no. Gretz, this is patently untrue.

Fans want the Chiefs to go out and sign NEW COACHES and a NEW GM. It most certainly DOES "matter who."

It's NOT the young players that Chiefs fans are fed up with.

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Every time I see one of these kcchiefs.com articles I'm amazed. How many businesses can get away with blatant lies and openly calling their customers idiots on their website?! If you dont believe monopolies are inherently evil, this should be all you need to see to change your mind.
I understand, but here's the problem with that.

People "supposedly" jumped on board with this rebuild in the offseason KNOWING that Herm Edwards would be the coach and that Carl Peterson would be the GM in 2008.

Now, those same people are pitching a bitch because, big surprise, Herm Edwards is the coach and Carl Peterson is the GM.

People expecting heads to roll 2 weeks into the season are exactly the people Gretz is writing about in this piece - it's flat out panic.

I don't like Edwards either, at least as a coach. But it would solve NOTHING to start firing people 2 weeks into the season with 35 new players on a 52 man roster. We'd still witness the same bullshit week in, week out, the difference being who gives the press conferences on Mondays.

REAL change is 15 weeks away. Like it or not.

Hammock Parties 09-17-2008 09:27 AM
Hey Warpath, now do you see what I was talking about with Thigpen?

HE SUCKS.

In no way does he deserve to start another game.

luv 09-17-2008 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5028029)
I understand, but here's the problem with that.

People "supposedly" jumped on board with this rebuild in the offseason KNOWING that Herm Edwards would be the coach and that Carl Peterson would be the GM in 2008.

Now, those same people are pitching a bitch because, big surprise, Herm Edwards is the coach and Carl Peterson is the GM.

People expecting heads to roll 2 weeks into the season are exactly the people Gretz is writing about in this piece - it's flat out panic.

I don't like Edwards either, at least as a coach. But it would solve NOTHING to start firing people 2 weeks into the season with 35 new players on a 52 man roster. We'd still witness the same bullshit week in, week out, the difference being who gives the press conferences on Mondays.

REAL change is 15 weeks away. Like it or not.
You don't think that, if we got a different coach, we'd started seeing at least some chnages within 4-5 weeks?


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