Yes the sad thing is that out of the 20 years of the "5 year plan" that is 8 years real time. :shake:

There are a couple of things that are constant in these stats. The fact that Gun and Carl are both there. I love Gun and his fire but the truth is I'm wondering if he still is up to the task of coaching his players. You can yell, spit, :cuss:, and motivate them all you want but with this young team these coaches have to be actually TEACHING them something.

You are right that history will tell the full story, but even if we apply your arguement that starting does not absolutely mean a good pick then more time is needed to determine the value of the pick. Thus, the result is the conclusion is premature.

If we consider starting typically, not always, means a good pick while the record is not as consistent a measure. For example, DV didn't start many bad picks while producing a good record during the same period that the Titans started many good picks while producing a bad record. Then the current evidence points to an incorrect conclusion not just premature.

If you add my opinion of what I've seen from the rookies on the field then I say the conclusion is way off built on bad logic.

Why do so many conclude that the coaches are failing to teach because of the record? These rookies are getting better even fans on CP, the ones who think they know more than they actually do, can see it through the television, which tells me the coaches are doing their job.

I think we have a lot of fans who were not prepared for what rebuilding really meant.

Glad someone went to the trouble of putting it on paper.
I was saying to the defensive homers for the last several years. I still blame Gunther, a capable coach should have gotten a decent team out of that bunch.

This is true. The real problem with most people is the unpopularity of Herman Edwards. If this were some young wunderkind coach that everybody was on board with, you wouldn't hear this much bitching.

While I agree that a lot of people weren't prepared for what rebuilding actually brought us, I still see the same issues that we've had for a couple of years now. Arm tackling, not bringing down a runner, biting on the play-action. These are all coaching issues IMO. Yes inexperience is a problem THIS year, but what about the past few? I love Gunther, and I hope he works this all out, but you have to hold everyone involved accountable in these situations.

He'd also have an excuse for dumbassery, poor clock managment, and a poor read on the pulse of his team.

Herm should not be excused from any of those. He's not some green rook with fresh ideas.

And the rebuild excuse is tired with me. I didn't tell you to wait until year three to build this team around you.

Wish this worked for everyone else. "Hey, I know I've spent 5 months remodeling but there's too much termite damage. Let's just tear this ****er down and start from the foundation up..."

Screw rebuilding. There is no such thing as rebuilding. You either draft well or you don't. You either develop the players you draft or you don't. You either coach well or you don't.

Some claim Parcells isn't "rebuilding" in Miami. That's a bunch of BS. He will turnover the roster quite a bit every year until it is loaded with talent -- talent acquired via the draft, free-agency, and trade.

it is frustrating. i mean gun is a hard ass SOB drill sergeant and herm is one of the most "best coaches to play for" bottom line is neither of them have fixed the D. wtf is the point of having herm as the coach if you have a shitty D.

Herm didn't wait three years to rebuild. He tried building his own defense and special teams from the beginning.

Thank you. You only call it "rebuilding" when you have a bad record.

IMO, rebuilding has nothing to do with the record.

It's the process of making your team younger, and hopefully better for the long term in the process.

In theory, if you bring in/draft the right players during a rebuilding process, your team should be good for a significant amount of time. We're talking 5-8 years. A team of 22 year old players should grow and mature as players along the same timeframe, putting them all in their prime at the same time. Almost by definition, you can't call a rebuild a success or failure for several years. See Green Bay, Tennessee. In our case, incompetent coaching will probably slow that process down considerably.

What Miami has done is not rebuilding. You could call it reloading, I guess. They'll be decent this year, maybe next.

But unless they draft extremely well over the next 3-5 years to replace all the aging veterans they signed in FA this offseason, (at what happen to be very important positions) then they'll be right back in the shithouse with a 4-12 record.

The Jets are the same way. When players like Favre, Faneca and Jenkins retire, or are become ineffective to to age, they'll be in a world of hurt unless they draft extremely well and have replacements on hand for those vets.

How are the Dolphins not rebuilding? Their OL is very young and they already have replacement players in line on the DL for NT and RDE.

Do you think that Miami is set up to win consistently for the next 5-8 years, like the Colts?

I don't.

so we have been trying to improve since Marty left.... tell me something new...