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Kerberos 01-13-2009 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 5385403)
With the most talented roster in college football. If Tebow QBed the 2008 chiefs, we go 0-16. Florida runs a variation of about 15 offensive plays total.

yup


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Originally Posted by ncCHIEFfan (Post 5385361)
But Tbow knows how to win

Knowing how to win and doing it in college does not always preclude knowing how to win and doing it professionally.

KCCHIEFS27 01-13-2009 01:25 PM

The way people are talking on here, it seems as if they think Tebow will have to come in to the NFL and play 1 against 11. If he can be put into the right situation, he'll be ridiculous. Matter of fact, after reading most of these posts, I hope he comes into the league and transforms the game. The NFL isn't all about physical assets. There is a lot to do with the mental aspect, almost to the point it matters more than the physical tools, and Tebow, of course, has his head on straight.

DaKCMan AP 01-13-2009 01:28 PM

FWIW, the Gators hired a new QB coach who has NFL coaching experience and worked with Tom Brady, Brian Griese, Chad Henne and John Navarre at Michigan.

RealSNR 01-13-2009 01:33 PM

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Sweet Daddy Hate 01-13-2009 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5385199)
The Lions will take him after passing on Stafford.

Next year?

ncCHIEFfan 01-13-2009 01:36 PM

His college comment is very true but how can we know how he would handle the 2008 Chiefs? I think it would be nice to have someone who knows how it feels to win big games at the QB position. However regaurdless who is our "young" QB we need a real position coach!

Otter 01-13-2009 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 5385207)
It's easy to teach someone proper throwing mechanics, how to play behind center, read defenses, and make accurate NFL throws? Tebow's physical tools aren't really all that impressive. His arm is nothing special and while he's big, his running style doesn't translate to the next level.

I certainly wouldn't take him before the 4th round just saying he might may a good project for a team that is already set at QB for a couple years. He has a lot of the stuff you can't teach.

Sweet Daddy Hate 01-13-2009 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 5385473)
FWIW, the Gators hired a new QB coach who has NFL coaching experience and worked with Tom Brady, Brian Griese, Chad Henne and John Navarre at Michigan.

Good, he needs it. He may love Florida, and "love this", and "love that", but me thinks what he really loves is the stone-cold fact that if he's serious about going pro, he needs this coming off season and subsequent season to get it together.
Somebody whispered in his ear that despite winning the BCS Title, there was NO WAY IN HELL he was going in the 1st round.

bigbucks24 01-13-2009 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsOne (Post 5385177)
He's tough, an athlete and a winner. Can't understand why so many people believe he will never be any good.

This debate came up a few years ago. Some people touted Vince Young and the guy that was going to change the NFL. When it was pointed out that he had poor mechanics, wasn't accurate, couldn't read defenses and didn't have a lot between his ears, many yelled, "But he is a winner. Isn't that what it is all about? Winning?" When he went to Tennesee and took over and won a few games, his fans puffed out their chest with pride. It was pointed out that the D really stepped up, the runnnng game got a lot better and VY's passing stats were abysmal. "But he is a winner. All he does is win. At the college level or the pro's. He's a winner. And that's what it's all about." I just don't buy it.

He may end up being great. He may change the NFL. He may revolutionize the position. But I don't think he will be sucessful because he is a "winner".

Sorry for the rant. And this wasn't directed soley at you.

ncCHIEFfan 01-13-2009 01:54 PM

I think we should just get the LB from Wake Forrest. Reguardless of GM and Coach.

FringeNC 01-13-2009 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by suds79 (Post 5385312)
I'm not even much of a Thigpen fan but I think these guys are remarkably similar.

Thigpen - 6'1 224 , Tebow - 6'2 238

Both guys best assets is their running ability. Tebow is a pinch more physical. Thipen is definitely faster... If I had to choose, I'll take the speed.

Both have decent arms but won't blow you away.

And both as far as we know have only been successful in the spread offense.

So what am i saying? I'm say that I don't think Tim Tebow will be much of an NFL QB. Vince Young was the most dominating college player I've ever seen. And he stinks as an NFL QB.

Thigpen has better mechanics, and those are Thigpen's weakness.

Tebow will be given every chance to succeed in the NFL -- everyone is in love with his intangibles.

RealSNR 01-13-2009 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbucks24 (Post 5385529)
This debate came up a few years ago. Some people touted Vince Young and the guy that was going to change the NFL. When it was pointed out that he had poor mechanics, wasn't accurate, couldn't read defenses and didn't have a lot between his ears, many yelled, "But he is a winner. Isn't that what it is all about? Winning?" When he went to Tennesee and took over and won a few games, his fans puffed out their chest with pride. It was pointed out that the D really stepped up, the runnnng game got a lot better and VY's passing stats were abysmal. "But he is a winner. All he does is win. At the college level or the pro's. He's a winner. And that's what it's all about." I just don't buy it.

He may end up being great. He may change the NFL. He may revolutionize the position. But I don't think he will be sucessful because he is a "winner".

Sorry for the rant. And this wasn't directed soley at you.

Yep.

"He makes the big plays when it matters."

It'd be nice if he could make the majority of the other plays, too.

Otter 01-13-2009 01:59 PM

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He may end up being great. He may change the NFL. He may revolutionize the position. But I don't think he will be sucessful because he is a "winner".
The way the rules revolve around protecting the passing game no player is going to come in and revolutionize the game without a paradigm shift in rules. It's a pocket passers game until that happens.

I've been wrong before but don't see it happening.

RealSNR 01-13-2009 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ncCHIEFfan (Post 5385535)
I think we should just get the LB from Wake Forrest. Reguardless of GM and Coach.

ReGARDless of our GM and coach, we shouldn't draft a linebacker at 3

DaKCMan AP 01-13-2009 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbucks24 (Post 5385529)
This debate came up a few years ago. Some people touted Vince Young and the guy that was going to change the NFL. When it was pointed out that he had poor mechanics, wasn't accurate, couldn't read defenses and didn't have a lot between his ears, many yelled, "But he is a winner. Isn't that what it is all about? Winning?" When he went to Tennesee and took over and won a few games, his fans puffed out their chest with pride. It was pointed out that the D really stepped up, the runnnng game got a lot better and VY's passing stats were abysmal. "But he is a winner. All he does is win. At the college level or the pro's. He's a winner. And that's what it's all about." I just don't buy it.

He may end up being great. He may change the NFL. He may revolutionize the position. But I don't think he will be sucessful because he is a "winner".

Sorry for the rant. And this wasn't directed soley at you.

While Tebow shares some of the knocks that VY had coming out of school, Tebow is not as dumb as VY and Tebow can read a defense (although he has the added luxury of doing it while not having to take a 3-7 step dropback).


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