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talastan 01-21-2009 04:44 PM

If Haley is indeed the HC prospect who would he look to for his DC? This position is the biggest concern IMO, almost as much as the HC position itself. Our Defense is going to need an incredible turnaround simply for the sake and morale of the players themselves IMO.

BigChiefFan 01-21-2009 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by talastan (Post 5413190)
I agree with what you said but there is one thing that is important not to leave out IMO. He has to be able to coach up these young guys. Teaching this young team effectively is going to be the most important job this next regime is going to face. Marty was effective when he came in because he could teach players well. Hopefully Haley can do the same while still holding the players accountable for their actions on and off the field.

I would say going to the Super Bowl qualifies for coaching the players up.

Mecca 01-21-2009 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 5413186)
He calls the offensive PLAYS. He's not just the O-line coach.

All that respect for Herm got us 6 wins in the past two seasons and it's not like Boldin hasn't been being a sucktit the entire season there. I want a coach who tells the players you work for ME, not the other way around. These prima donna athletes need to get a grip AND the fans that support said behavior.

Uh no, the OL coach was in reference to the guy bringing up Russ Grimm..

My gripe with Haley is you can be a tough coach and all that but players have to want to play for you, you can't make guys hate you.

eazyb81 01-21-2009 04:50 PM

What the hell is going on?

Have people just accepted that Chris Collinsworth has inside info, or have more sources come to the surface saying that we are expected to hire Haley as the head coach?

Sorry if old news, I've been out of the loop all day.

talastan 01-21-2009 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5413236)
What the hell is going on?

Have people just accepted that Chris Collinsworth has inside info, or have more sources come to the surface saying that we are expected to hire Haley as the head coach?

Sorry if old news, I've been out of the loop all day.

I haven't, but nothing wrong with speculating about the possiblity and finding out more about a potential HC canidate is there?

DaWolf 01-21-2009 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5413219)
Uh no, the OL coach was in reference to the guy bringing up Russ Grimm..

My gripe with Haley is you can be a tough coach and all that but players have to want to play for you, you can't make guys hate you.

I think that goes back to what Pioli was saying in getting players in here who mesh with the head coach's personality. Not everyone loved Bellichik either until his second stint when he started winning in New England and adjusted his attitude a bit...

DTLB58 01-21-2009 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder (Post 5413187)
They are talking about him as possibly being the Chiefs coach on Around the Horn and PTI. Have we not heard something they have?

Nope, They were just playing off of the Collinsworth comments yesterday.

Everything on there is a day late.

BigChiefFan 01-21-2009 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5413219)
Uh no, the OL coach was in reference to the guy bringing up Russ Grimm..

My gripe with Haley is you can be a tough coach and all that but players have to want to play for you, you can't make guys hate you.

I agree with that sentiment, but I believe a coach should have more authority than any player. Boldin showed his ass the other day and I don't fault Haley in the least.

The problem is these athletes are millionaires and some are prima donnas, who don't take direction very well. I think Tom Coughlin is a perfect example of being a hard-nosed coach, who doesn't take any shit and I think that discipline pay divendends for the team. If a player can't take direction, they are worth keeping around in the first place.

eazyb81 01-21-2009 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by talastan (Post 5413255)
I haven't, but nothing wrong with speculating about the possiblity and finding out more about a potential HC canidate is there?

Of course not, I wasn't complaining about people talking about it.

But is this article simply in reference to Collinsworth's idle speculation from yesterday about Haley possibly being KC's head coach?

Until more info comes out, or even an anonymous source says something, it seems like much ado about nothing.

Mecca 01-21-2009 04:57 PM

Tom Coughlin is the kind of guy that can only coach in a place for so long...

By the end of his stay in Jacksonville the entire team hated him and basically refused to play for him. Fred Taylor admitted he would milk injuries and sit out extra games because of how much he hated Coughlin.

R&GHomer 01-21-2009 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5413274)
Tom Coughlin is the kind of guy that can only coach in a place for so long...

By the end of his stay in Jacksonville the entire team hated him and basically refused to play for him. Fred Taylor admitted he would milk injuries and sit out extra games because of how much he hated Coughlin.

What a fuggtard, why would you admit to something like that. I don't care how much you hate the guy, you're getting paid to do a job.

BigChiefFan 01-21-2009 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5413274)
Tom Coughlin is the kind of guy that can only coach in a place for so long...

By the end of his stay in Jacksonville the entire team hated him and basically refused to play for him. Fred Taylor admitted he would milk injuries and sit out extra games because of how much he hated Coughlin.

Then he's one of those prima-donna pricks, I was referring to. I realize people don't like hard-ass bosses, but I don't see Haley that way. I see him as somebody who does his job, but won't back down from some punk ass athlete who gets in his face. The millions of dollars and passion for the game should be enough to motivate these guys.

Extra Point 01-21-2009 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5413219)
Uh no, the OL coach was in reference to the guy bringing up Russ Grimm..

My gripe with Haley is you can be a tough coach and all that but players have to want to play for you, you can't make guys hate you.

It's about playing for the game, isn't it? Screw the coach. What are you bringing to the game, that asks from you, what the play is called? The game is what drives players. If the game itself doesn't drive the player, then his ass needs to ride the pine.

I'm sure Bowe is saying, "I'll have what he's having," regarding Fitzgerald.

anks106 01-21-2009 05:21 PM

I figured I could add a Cardinals fans perspective here.

1) Some feel Haley won't work well with a non-successful team, but he did well with Arizona which wasn't exactly .. well Arizona.. when he got there. We were 5-11 and some of the players playing well now were not then. The coaches called Fitz a one trick pony when they got here because all he did was the jump ball, never caught it in stride or ran like he does after the tackle now. A lot of the Fitz who the world is finding out about comes from our coaches.

2) We aren't all that happy with Grimm right now. The numbers don't tell the story, our O-line has been pretty damn bad. Warner is excellent at getting rid of the ball which makes them look better, but our top 5 pick Levi looks like he might be bench-bound. our RG has sucked, plain and simple. our center has been good but is not a world-beater by any standards (and he was a lucky find, a UDFA), the only guys playing well are our left side (Mike Gandy who has surprised with his play and Reggie Wells, who played well in the 'let em off the hook' era).

3) Haley and Warner are known to argue with each other, but more is made of it than needed. Warner is a firey guy who gets upset whenever anything goes wrong, and more often than not he is upset at himself. He also is almost like a coach on the field, often times Haley will call the Blocking and let Warner call the rest of the play. Haley impressed me with his ability to let go of that control.

4) Us Cards fans don't much like Cris "Arizona is still the worst playoff team ever" Collinsworth

5) I wouldn't expect anything else from a guy going to the super bowl in 2 weeks, but this seems like more than just a I like my job here. “I really, and I’m not just saying this, I love my job here, I really do,” Haley said Monday, sitting in his office. “Everybody loves to get patted on the back or told they do a good job, but the attention isn’t something I am super comfortable with. I just told (head coach Ken Whisenhunt) I love my job here. I live in a great place, I have five kids and the thought of me moving or doing something else isn’t at the forefront for me.”

And for what its worth, most Cards fans don't want to lose Haley, we like him and as a whole think he would be successful as a H.C. and that its only a matter of time until he is one somewhere.

mikey23545 01-21-2009 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5413274)
Tom Coughlin is the kind of guy that can only coach in a place for so long...

By the end of his stay in Jacksonville the entire team hated him and basically refused to play for him. Fred Taylor admitted he would milk injuries and sit out extra games because of how much he hated Coughlin.

Yeah, I could tell how much the Giant's players hated him right after that Super Bowl win....


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