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RustShack 04-03-2009 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 5637183)
I guess they could have but they could also not have hardly any impact at all.





Yeah right.



I am not on the Curry or bust train but I've read so many stements like these two in regards to Curry that it makes my head spin. These statements are based on absolutely nothing. "He just doesn't make big plays"? Gimmie a break man.




PhilFree:arrow:
LOL and its quotes like this that make me think the Curry lovers have never watched a game of his. Hell watch his highlight video, his highlights are like regular plays for most other guys.

philfree 04-03-2009 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5637204)
Come clean and tell me how many Wake Forest games you actually watched.

Because he doesn't make alot of big plays. He made ALOT more big plays his 2nd-to-last season than he did this past year.

He's a solid player who hardly ever makes a mistake. But he's also a guy who bats it down instead of trying to make the pick at the expense of giving up a big play. He'll wrap up and make a tackle rather than try to jar the ball loose if he thinks it means he might give up a big play. He's a very conservative player and that's a fact.
I've said it before that I've watched video of the guy. It's easy to see why he is considered by so many to be the best player in the draft. But the statement made was "he just doesn't make big plays". That statement just isn't accurate. I guess you would have to define big play but I'm pretty sure returning an INT for a TD is a big play. A tackle for a loss? Is that a big play? To me it seems like peoples idea of a big play is a triple crown and that's it. Sack, fumble and recover it for a TD. People around here are so convinced that a LB who isn't just a pass rusher can have no serious impact and it's not true. I'm all for a trade down but the reason people don't want to draft Curry are twisted IMO.


PhilFree:arrow:

htismaqe 04-03-2009 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5637208)
What's an impact play? If he takes good angles and wraps up his player and is consistent, isn't that better than a guy who goes for the kill and misses 30% of the time but forces a few fumbles during the course of the year?
6 of one, one half dozen of the other.

I think a guy that misses 30% of the time but forces a fumble 30% of the time is slightly more valuable than a guy who misses 5% of the time but forces a fumble 5% of the time.

htismaqe 04-03-2009 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 5637302)
I've said it before that I've watched video of the guy. It's easy to see why he is considered by so many to be the best player in the draft. But the statement made was "he just doesn't make big plays". That statement just isn't accurate. I guess you would have to define big play but I'm pretty sure returning an INT for a TD is a big play. A tackle for a loss? Is that a big play? To me it seems like peoples idea of a big play is a triple crown and that's it. Sack, fumble and recover it for a TD. People around here are so convinced that a LB who isn't just a pass rusher can have no serious impact and it's not true. I'm all for a trade down but the reason people don't want to draft Curry are twisted IMO.


PhilFree:arrow:
Again, you need to separate "don't want to draft Curry" from "don't want to draft Curry with the #3 overall pick".

Chiefnj2 04-03-2009 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5637305)
6 of one, one half dozen of the other.

I think a guy that misses 30% of the time but forces a fumble 30% of the time is slightly more valuable than a guy who misses 5% of the time but forces a fumble 5% of the time.
Nobody forces fumbles 30% of the time.

htismaqe 04-03-2009 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5637315)
Nobody forces fumbles 30% of the time.
And nobody misses tackles 5% of the time.

Chiefnj2 04-03-2009 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5637260)
LOL and its quotes like this that make me think the Curry lovers have never watched a game of his. Hell watch his highlight video, his highlights are like regular plays for most other guys.
So an OLB from Wake Forest that doesn't rush the passer and only makes regular plays somehow ends up being the top 1 or 2 players on every draft board? Amazing.

htismaqe 04-03-2009 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5637323)
So an OLB from Wake Forest that doesn't rush the passer and only makes regular plays somehow ends up being the top 1 or 2 players on every draft board? Amazing.
The NFL loves conservative, play-not-to-lose strategies. They have for years.

It's not amazing at all. It's COMMONPLACE. See Jake Long.

philfree 04-03-2009 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5637309)
Again, you need to separate "don't want to draft Curry" from "don't want to draft Curry with the #3 overall pick".

Fair enough. You would be glad to trade down and then pick Curry and that'd be cool.


PhilFree:arrow:

RustShack 04-03-2009 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5637323)
So an OLB from Wake Forest that doesn't rush the passer and only makes regular plays somehow ends up being the top 1 or 2 players on every draft board? Amazing.
Weak year, safe pick. I'm not saying he isn't talented, but talent doesn't always make you a great player. His style of play is just too conservative. Averaging one TD a year doesn't really make him a big impact guy, neither does tackles for loss. Hell DJ lead the NFL in tackles for loss not long ago and I would hardly call him a great player.

RustShack 04-03-2009 10:21 AM
I would like to add I'm not against drafting Curry, I would love to have a talented and consistent tackler. But I think you can find lesser talented players later in the draft who can make close to the same impact...

htismaqe 04-03-2009 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 5637350)
Fair enough. You would be glad to trade down and then pick Curry and that'd be cool.


PhilFree:arrow:
ABSOLUTELY.

I thought I had made that clear. I'd be VERY cool with taking Curry in the 8-10 range, if he would last that long.

Chiefnj2 04-03-2009 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5637474)
ABSOLUTELY.

I thought I had made that clear. I'd be VERY cool with taking Curry in the 8-10 range, if he would last that long.
Orakpo is the next general consensus choice if you want a defensive player that can rush the QB.

htismaqe 04-03-2009 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5637493)
Orakpo is the next general consensus choice if you want a defensive player that can rush the QB.
Yeah, I'm willing to throw his ranking out the window. He played at Texas.

RustShack 04-03-2009 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5637493)
Orakpo is the next general consensus choice if you want a defensive player that can rush the QB.
ROFL

Hes the pick you want if your asking for a bust.

ROFL


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