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Chiefnj2 01-08-2010 01:14 PM
I don't see how Delhomme comes out ahead of Cassel. Jake had better weapons, the same completion %, but had more than 2x as many TDs to INts as Cassel did.

DaneMcCloud 01-08-2010 01:15 PM
It's a process

Hammock Parties 01-08-2010 01:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6423716)
He graded out perfectly:

Drops.
O-line.
Herm.
Coaching.
Wind.
System.
Obama.
HARK! The second horseman of the Apo-cassel-ypse has swooped into the thread on his equine terror mount! Avert your eyes from missing the playoffs by one game...he is Deeznutz, horseman of the four interceptions thrown to the Buffalo Bills in a 2005 road game.

http://i45.tinypic.com/6emb6e.jpg

Hammock Parties 01-08-2010 01:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6423733)
So, out of Brady, Manning Rivers, Brees, Favre, Romo, Schaub and Roethlisberger, which 5 do you think Rodgers is better than?
BEHOLD! It is the third horseman of the Apo-cassel-ypse, descending upon us like a specter of the kentucky derby! Quiver in fear at the sight of the game manager who wobble launches his team into hell...he is OnTheWarpath58, horsemen of the why the **** are we starting this old guy instead of Croyle?

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DaWolf 01-08-2010 01:17 PM
Then again, he was ranked 17th last year, his first year starting.

Cutler tumbled from 5 to 37. Is it the player or the environment/coaches?

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-08-2010 01:20 PM
GoChiefs is throwing 97 with movement right now.

B_Ambuehl 01-08-2010 01:22 PM
Cassell doesn't have what it takes mentally to be a successful NFL QB. If you watch him throw the ball, assess his knowledge of the game, time his speed, agility, and overall athletic ability, you get what should be a pretty decent NFL QB. But when you actually throw him into the fire and have him use all that in an actual game he shits the bed. What should be a mobile and pocket savvy QB turns into one that lacks pocket awareness and repeatedly makes his O line look like shit (see the number of sacks he took in New England last year). Throws that appear easy for him in a relaxed setting appear next to impossible. Progressions that he can mentally do in his sleep in a meeting room he never gets to in a game.

A good percentage of QB failures are great hardworking, intelligent guys but just don't have what it takes. Compare those type of guys to someone like Brett Favre, who practically won an MVP trophy before he even knew what a nickel defense was. Cassell's not a gamer and likely never will be.

Simply Red 01-08-2010 01:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6423716)
He graded out perfectly:

Drops.
O-line.
Herm.
Coaching.
Wind.
System.
Obama.

what's an Obama?

Hammock Parties 01-08-2010 01:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6423793)
GoChiefs is throwing 97 with movement right now.
I just wish we could get all four horsemen in the same thread.

Then the world ends.

Mile High Mania 01-08-2010 01:25 PM
Orton = #12 up from #21 a year ago...

stevieray 01-08-2010 01:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 6423782)
Then again, he was ranked 17th last year, his first year starting.

Cutler tumbled from 5 to 37. Is it the player or the environment/coaches?
depends..

if you like the player, his failure is always the coaches fault, his success is his own, despite the coach..

if you don't like the player, it's the coaches fault for putting him on the team.

if you don't like the coach, the player can do no wrong or is being misused.

if you like the coach, it's the player's fault.

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-08-2010 01:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 6423824)
depends..

if you like the player, his failure is always the coaches fault, his success is his own, despite the coach..

if you don't like the player, it's the coaches fault for putting him on the team.

if you don't like the coach, the player can do no wrong or is being misused.

if you like the coach, it's the player's fault.
Stark binarism!! FTL!!

Brock 01-08-2010 01:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl (Post 6423807)
Cassell doesn't have what it takes mentally to be a successful NFL QB. If you watch him throw the ball, assess his knowledge of the game, time his speed, agility, and overall athletic ability, you get what should be a pretty decent NFL QB. But when you actually throw him into the fire and have him use all that in an actual game he shits the bed. What should be a mobile and pocket savvy QB turns into one that lacks pocket awareness and repeatedly makes his O line look like shit (see the number of sacks he took in New England last year). Throws that appear easy for him in a relaxed setting appear next to impossible. Progressions that he can mentally do in his sleep in a meeting room he never gets to in a game.

A good percentage of QB failures are great hardworking, intelligent guys but just don't have what it takes. Compare those type of guys to someone like Brett Favre, who practically won an MVP trophy before he even knew what a nickel defense was. Cassell's not a gamer and likely never will be.
I pretty much agree with all of that. All you can do is hope he improves, it's happened before I guess.

DaWolf 01-08-2010 01:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 6423820)
Orton = #12 up from #21 a year ago...
Trent Green went from 25 to 3 once we upgraded the offense in 2002.

Interestingly, Elvis Grbac was 6 in 1999 and 4 in 2000...

Tribal Warfare 01-08-2010 01:32 PM
PASSING, OTHERS: 10-99 passes

<table class="stats" border="2" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td align="center">Player</td> <td align="center">Team</td> <td align="center">DYAR</td> <td align="center">YAR</td> <td align="center">DVOA</td> <td align="center">VOA</td> <td align="center">Passes</td> <td align="center">Yards</td> <td align="center">EYds</td> <td align="center">TD</td> <td align="center">FK</td> <td align="center">FL</td> <td align="center">INT</td> <td align="center">C%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>T.Jackson</td> <td>MIN</td> <td align="Right">111</td> <td align="Right">132</td> <td align="Right">80.2%</td> <td align="Right">97.7%</td> <td align="Right">21</td> <td align="Right">201</td> <td align="Right">249</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">66.7%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>B.Croyle</td> <td>KC</td> <td align="Right">80</td> <td align="Right">41</td> <td align="Right">20.3%</td> <td align="Right">5.3%</td> <td align="Right">43</td> <td align="Right">212</td> <td align="Right">323</td> <td align="Right">2</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">57.5%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>D.Carr</td> <td>NYG</td> <td align="Right">72</td> <td align="Right">84</td> <td align="Right">23.8%</td> <td align="Right">29.5%</td> <td align="Right">35</td> <td align="Right">213</td> <td align="Right">265</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">65.6%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>B.Volek</td> <td>SD</td> <td align="Right">72</td> <td align="Right">83</td> <td align="Right">22.2%</td> <td align="Right">27.0%</td> <td align="Right">32</td> <td align="Right">230</td> <td align="Right">272</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">64.5%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>C.Pennington</td> <td>MIA</td> <td align="Right">23</td> <td align="Right">55</td> <td align="Right">-6.6%</td> <td align="Right">-0.1%</td> <td align="Right">78</td> <td align="Right">383</td> <td align="Right">436</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">70.8%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>M.Vick</td> <td>PHI</td> <td align="Right">6</td> <td align="Right">13</td> <td align="Right">-4.7%</td> <td align="Right">3.0%</td> <td align="Right">13</td> <td align="Right">86</td> <td align="Right">82</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">46.2%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>B.Hoyer</td> <td>NE</td> <td align="Right">6</td> <td align="Right">7</td> <td align="Right">-7.9%</td> <td align="Right">-7.2%</td> <td align="Right">29</td> <td align="Right">124</td> <td align="Right">146</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">70.4%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>M.Leinart</td> <td>ARI</td> <td align="Right">4</td> <td align="Right">25</td> <td align="Right">-10.4%</td> <td align="Right">-6.1%</td> <td align="Right">80</td> <td align="Right">445</td> <td align="Right">401</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">3</td> <td align="Right">66.2%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>D.Dixon</td> <td>PIT</td> <td align="Right">-5</td> <td align="Right">-29</td> <td align="Right">-14.7%</td> <td align="Right">-30.2%</td> <td align="Right">26</td> <td align="Right">145</td> <td align="Right">114</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">46.2%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>M.Flynn</td> <td>GB</td> <td align="Right">-31</td> <td align="Right">-26</td> <td align="Right">-46.0%</td> <td align="Right">-39.8%</td> <td align="Right">14</td> <td align="Right">88</td> <td align="Right">29</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">58.3%</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center">Player</td> <td align="center">Team</td> <td align="center">DYAR</td> <td align="center">YAR</td> <td align="center">DVOA</td> <td align="center">VOA</td> <td align="center">Passes</td> <td align="center">Yards</td> <td align="center">EYds</td> <td align="center">TD</td> <td align="center">FK</td> <td align="center">FL</td> <td align="center">INT</td> <td align="center">C%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>K.Clemens</td> <td>NYJ</td> <td align="Right">-38</td> <td align="Right">-48</td> <td align="Right">-33.8%</td> <td align="Right">-39.8%</td> <td align="Right">29</td> <td align="Right">105</td> <td align="Right">83</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">52.0%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>M.Brunell</td> <td>NO</td> <td align="Right">-67</td> <td align="Right">-109</td> <td align="Right">-46.3%</td> <td align="Right">-68.3%</td> <td align="Right">31</td> <td align="Right">93</td> <td align="Right">62</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">50.0%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>J.T.O'Sullivan</td> <td>CIN</td> <td align="Right">-77</td> <td align="Right">-102</td> <td align="Right">-143.9%</td> <td align="Right">-186.7%</td> <td align="Right">14</td> <td align="Right">9</td> <td align="Right">-58</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">2</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">40.0%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>C.Frye</td> <td>OAK</td> <td align="Right">-78</td> <td align="Right">-55</td> <td align="Right">-23.1%</td> <td align="Right">-19.6%</td> <td align="Right">94</td> <td align="Right">550</td> <td align="Right">418</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">4</td> <td align="Right">62.4%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>T.Collins</td> <td>WAS</td> <td align="Right">-79</td> <td align="Right">-63</td> <td align="Right">-71.5%</td> <td align="Right">-59.6%</td> <td align="Right">26</td> <td align="Right">123</td> <td align="Right">-2</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">2</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">52.2%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>B.Brohm</td> <td>BUF</td> <td align="Right">-83</td> <td align="Right">-42</td> <td align="Right">-51.2%</td> <td align="Right">-31.5%</td> <td align="Right">31</td> <td align="Right">138</td> <td align="Right">54</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">2</td> <td align="Right">58.6%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>C.Painter</td> <td>IND</td> <td align="Right">-133</td> <td align="Right">-192</td> <td align="Right">-78.9%</td> <td align="Right">-109.5%</td> <td align="Right">31</td> <td align="Right">67</td> <td align="Right">-23</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">2</td> <td align="Right">28.6%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>C.Simms</td> <td>DEN</td> <td align="Right">-171</td> <td align="Right">-159</td> <td align="Right">-154.0%</td> <td align="Right">-144.2%</td> <td align="Right">22</td> <td align="Right">-16</td> <td align="Right">-135</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">29.4%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>D.Stanton</td> <td>DET</td> <td align="Right">-242</td> <td align="Right">-295</td> <td align="Right">-74.8%</td> <td align="Right">-88.6%</td> <td align="Right">57</td> <td align="Right">236</td> <td align="Right">-23</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">6</td> <td align="Right">51.0%</td> </tr> </tbody></table> but Brodie Croyle sucks


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