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Titty Meat 01-14-2010 01:55 AM

Whats the word on the secondary coach? Crennel will retire in 3 years it'd be nice to groom a replacement like Todd Bowles though thats not very realistic.

T-post Tom 01-14-2010 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 6443771)
Fatlock is stupid. Romey has 5 rings not 3. He got 2 with the Giants under Parcells. Bill also flopped in Browns country and I don't see Bill doing so well these days without Scott and the best Coords he's ever had. The head coach gets alot of credit just like the QB but without a good coaching staff he will fail.

There are 11 rings at One Arrowhead Drive now. That's credibility and a winning attitude. They will get the players to work harder and teach them how to play as a team. Nobody knows how to do that better than the OC and DC we have now. Call it whatever you want (Patsification) but not calling it progress is plain indiotic.

Great post. But ya might be a little short on the ring count. I believe that: Crennel has been in 6 SBs with 5 wins. Weis has 4 rings. Pioli has three rings. I may be wrong on the count, but I can't believe that some folks are still bitching about these hires. Unreal.

Spicy McHaggis 01-14-2010 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6443757)
He's right, though.

The Chiefs didn't do their due diligence.

Crennel and Weis are riding in on white horses like Gunther.

Are the horses wearing cut-off shirts?

Mecca 01-14-2010 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Spicy McHaggis (Post 6443794)
Are the horses wearing cut-off shirts?

They have big beards with magical powers.

RippedmyFlesh 01-14-2010 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6443782)
I would like to see them hire some coaches who didn't use to be with the Patriots or are a bit younger you know.

It's not a problem that they won bowls, but that isn't the criteria we should look for either, we had a ton of SB winning guys when Vermiel was here, that never worked.

I think my biggest issue is it just doesn't look like they are going out of their way to get the best guy other than just hiring the guys he knows from NE. In a vacuum 1 on 1 they're fine hires but when you add them all up it's like yo man good ole boy network eh?

You are correct but that is the way in football alot of times. Guys maintain their contacts and when they get something they bring in their guys.
I was a project manager and some of the techs that worked for me had their warts but I knew their warts. if a head hunter sent me a "better" tech in the long run it might be good but in the short term I have to learn his good qualities and his worts so I would prob get the job done faster with the lesser tech that I know well right now. I think haley feels that he needs to fix this now. In an ideal world if this works out haley will be hc longer than either of these guys will be here as co ordinators. The next hires after he rights the ship can be the kind of young upstart hires that people want.

Mecca 01-14-2010 02:05 AM

The other thing is all of these guys coach from the sideline...I wonder how that will work because the HC is by far the least experienced...and he showed it this past year.

T-post Tom 01-14-2010 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6443782)
I would like to see them hire some coaches who didn't use to be with the Patriots or are a bit younger you know.

It's not a problem that they won bowls, but that isn't the criteria we should look for either, we had a ton of SB winning guys when Vermiel was here, that never worked.

I think my biggest issue is it just doesn't look like they are going out of their way to get the best guy other than just hiring the guys he knows from NE. In a vacuum 1 on 1 they're fine hires but when you add them all up it's like yo man good ole boy network eh?

Your logic baffles me. A good ole boy network is a GOOD thing when the boys have SB bling. C'mon Mecca. Drink the kool-aid. It's purple (not grape), your favorite.

T-post Tom 01-14-2010 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6443795)
They have big beards with magical powers.

http://www.allthegigs.com/concert-re..._pics/1109.jpg

Mecca 01-14-2010 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by T-post Tom (Post 6443798)
Your logic baffles me. A good ole boy network is a GOOD thing when the boys have SB bling. C'mon Mecca. Drink the kool-aid. It's purple (not grape), your favorite.

No it's really not, everyone was thrilled to be rid of Peterson's good ole boy network and we traded that one for another one.

When Vermiel came in here it was no different than what we have now, other than his personality.

The Weis hire is fine, he did a nice job with marginal talent in his time with NE with a defensive HC. Crennel I consider that one much much more risky...

RippedmyFlesh 01-14-2010 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6443797)
The other thing is all of these guys coach from the sideline...I wonder how that will work because the HC is by far the least experienced...and he showed it this past year.

Which is good.
Inexperienced hc being helped by experienced co ordinators. then like iI said if he does well and gets more experience then go hoodie and hire the young genius guys.

Mecca 01-14-2010 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh (Post 6443802)
Which is good.
Inexperienced hc being helped by experienced co ordinators. then like iI said if he does well and gets more experience then go hoodie and hire the young genius guys.

I question how open Haley is to that...this is a guy who went off on his assistants this past year and demoted a few of them...

T-post Tom 01-14-2010 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6443800)
No it's really not, everyone was thrilled to be rid of Peterson's good ole boy network and we traded that one for another one.

When Vermiel came in here it was no different than what we have now, other than his personality.

The Weis hire is fine, he did a nice job with marginal talent in his time with NE with a defensive HC. Crennel I consider that one much much more risky...

Dude, I'm going to weave your fuzzy logic into TWO giant Chiefs' sweaters and present them to Weis & Crennel in your honor. To compare Peterson's credentials to Pioli's is illogical. [ex. All of Pioli's boys have SB experience.]

http://blogs.southflorida.com/cityli...eney/Spock.jpg

Mecca 01-14-2010 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by T-post Tom (Post 6443804)
Dude, I'm going to weave your fuzzy logic into TWO giant Chiefs' sweaters and present them to Weis & Crennel in your honor. To compare Peterson's credentials to Pioli's is illogical.

http://blogs.southflorida.com/cityli...eney/Spock.jpg

How do you figure?

To this point Pioli hasn't done anything different than the way Peterson did things. Hire people you know, trade for the safe QB, these are all things people would go nuts on Carl for doing.

The only difference was in his first draft Peterson had the 3rd pick and got Derrick Thomas, Pioli got Tyson Jackson.

Also plenty of NE guys have nice credentials it hasn't stopped nearly all of them from shitting their pants once they left Boston.

RippedmyFlesh 01-14-2010 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6443803)
I question how open Haley is to that...this is a guy who went off on his assistants this past year and demoted a few of them...

I am holding out hope that he will learn from his ways and become a better coach. His demeanor changed over the course of the season which tells me he is not afraid of admitting he was wrong which coaches in general rarely do.
Having that quality means he can get better. It's not a gurantee he will but he can. Ever think herm was going to get better? Nope because herm was like most coaches stubborn enough to do the same things over and over.

T-post Tom 01-14-2010 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6443806)
How do you figure?

To this point Pioli hasn't done anything different than the way Peterson did things. Hire people you know, trade for the safe QB, these are all things people would go nuts on Carl for doing.

The only difference was in his first draft Peterson had the 3rd pick and got Derrick Thomas, Pioli got Tyson Jackson.

Also plenty of NE guys have nice credentials it hasn't stopped nearly all of them from shitting their pants once they left Boston.

Alright, I just poured some 18 yr old scotch in your kool aid. Now drink up & get on the bus. Let's party like it's just a few years after 1999 in Boston, aight? Calm yourself and let the collective history of this new regime just flow over you. You'll feel so much better. :)


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