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BIG_DADDY 03-03-2010 05:28 PM

A lot about nothing

Rain Man 03-03-2010 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SportsRacer (Post 6573747)
Probably not a bright idea, but the pilots seemed okay with it, so who gives a ****? I don't really see what the worst-case scenario for this is.

Yeah, I don't see what could possibly go wrong.

http://www.greatdreams.com/planes/20...am-2-25-09.jpg

Pablo 03-03-2010 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 6573811)
Yeah, I don't see what could possibly go wrong.

http://www.greatdreams.com/planes/20...am-2-25-09.jpg

Those folks would probably be comforted knowing their last dying breaths were drawn so a future air-traffic controller could learn his craft at the tender age of 6.

Rain Man 03-03-2010 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 6573753)
When a kid says something that the transcript denotes as unintelligible, I see problems. Look, if he was helping his dad run the Garden City International Airport or calling out commands at Fargo Field, that would be one thing. This is JFK, where things move a mile a minute, pilots speak with a variety of difficult to discern accents, and a chain of movement that cannot allow for confusion. I don't care if it's ground control...bad things can happen there too.

I've always wondered about the language issue with pilots. If you're a pilot flying from Los Angeles to Tokyo, do you have to speak both English and Japanese? That seems unlikely. Do all control towers use English? That also seems unlikely. Do international planes have some sort of auto-translator or a human translator? Those also seem unlikely.

As for the kid, I'm sure they were watching him like a hawk, but as noted above, this is JFK Airport in New York. If the kid messes up a word or decides to have fun and improvise, things could get really, really bad really, really fast.

Thig Lyfe 03-03-2010 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 6573811)
Yeah, I don't see what could possibly go wrong.

http://www.greatdreams.com/planes/20...am-2-25-09.jpg

You really think letting the kid say "prepare for takeoff" a coupe of times is going to end up with that? Give me a ****ing break.

He wasn't actually controlling anything. He was being fed extremely basic lines and simply said them. Anything more complicated than that was still handled by the dad.

He shouldn't have done it for the sake of keeping his job, but I struggle to see anything legitimately wrong or dangerous about this.

Donger 03-03-2010 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 6573816)
I've always wondered about the language issue with pilots. If you're a pilot flying from Los Angeles to Tokyo, do you have to speak both English and Japanese? That seems unlikely. Do all control towers use English? That also seems unlikely. Do international planes have some sort of auto-translator or a human translator? Those also seem unlikely.

As for the kid, I'm sure they were watching him like a hawk, but as noted above, this is JFK Airport in New York. If the kid messes up a word or decides to have fun and improvise, things could get really, really bad really, really fast.

English is the standard and default language worldwide for the airlines.

Rain Man 03-03-2010 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 6573840)
English is the standard and default language worldwide for the airlines.

I can't imagine the French liking that, but either way, it's great to be an American.

So if you're Iranian and you want to fly for Air Mullah or whatever, or you're Chinese and you want to fly for Air Shenzen, you have to learn to be a pilot AND to speak English?

Rain Man 03-03-2010 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SportsRacer (Post 6573836)
You really think letting the kid say "prepare for takeoff" a coupe of times is going to end up with that? Give me a ****ing break.

He wasn't actually controlling anything. He was being fed extremely basic lines and simply said them. Anything more complicated than that was still handled by the dad.

He shouldn't have done it for the sake of keeping his job, but I struggle to see anything legitimately wrong or dangerous about this.


Yeah, the odds are low, but I had no idea what the kid was talking about in the second line, and I doubt he did, either: "Let's see your Air Mexico 403 Kennedy, runway through left position and hold." I'd rather them gamble with their own lives than mine, even if the odds are low. No reason to let a kid get on the microphone at one of the most congested air spaces in the world. What if the kid decided to yell, "Terrorists! Land all your planes right now!" Kids do that kind of stuff sometimes.

Donger 03-03-2010 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 6573846)
I can't imagine the French liking that, but either way, it's great to be an American.

So if you're Iranian and you want to fly for Air Mullah or whatever, or you're Chinese and you want to fly for Air Shenzen, you have to learn to be a pilot AND to speak English?

As I understand it, yes. At least with airlines that fly internationally.

Goldmember 03-03-2010 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by rockymtnchief (Post 6573764)
So Timmy, have you ever seen a grown man naked?

Roger, Roger.

LMAO LMAO

Goldmember 03-03-2010 06:01 PM

WTF is going on with pilots and controllers??? Pilots that get drunk and fly, or fall asleep and over shoot the airports by hundreds of miles, fights with the crew, flight attendants fighting with each other causing flight cancellations. Don't these people take their jobs seriously anymore with hundreds of lives at stake?

Next thing we'll probably hear about is a kid in a operating room asking the nurse to pass the spatula er scapel.

CaliforniaChief 03-03-2010 06:03 PM

A Pan Am 727 flight waiting for start clearance in Munich overheard the following:

Lufthansa (in German): "Ground, what is our start clearance time?"

Ground (in English): "If you want an answer you must speak in English."

Lufthansa (in English): "I am a German, flying a German airplane, in Germany . Why must I speak English?"

Unknown voice from another plane (in a beautiful British accent): "Because you lost the bloody war."

Yes, you must speak English worldwide for air communications.

Goldmember 03-03-2010 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 6573863)
A Pan Am 727 flight waiting for start clearance in Munich overheard the following:

Lufthansa (in German): "Ground, what is our start clearance time?"

Ground (in English): "If you want an answer you must speak in English."

Lufthansa (in English): "I am a German, flying a German airplane, in Germany . Why must I speak English?"

Unknown voice from another plane (in a beautiful British accent): "Because you lost the bloody war."

Yes, you must speak English worldwide for air communications.

Isn't that Pilot Training 101, "You must speak English"?

Goldmember 03-03-2010 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 6573722)
Thats funny. Hell I shouldnt be saying this but my dad was a conductor for Amtrak for many years. I used to drive the trains when I was like 6 years old. Fun times. Though keeping a train a a track is MUCH easier than a flight control center.

Good thing he didn't let you text message while you were driving the train.

KCbroncoHATER 03-03-2010 07:36 PM

"Let's see your Air Mexico 403 Kennedy, runway through left position and hold."

As long as the aircraft knew what he meant then I am cool with it.

There was no danger folks .... nothing to see here.


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