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ToxSocks 03-11-2010 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6596903)
With the signing of Smith I don't see the Chiefs making that huge of a reach for a NT, especially when guys like Troup and Thomas will be available in the second round and beyond.

If both Okung and Bulaga are gone, I don't think it's that much of a reach to envision the Chiefs selecting Trent Williams, especially with Alleman and Smith off the roster.

No. The Chiefs are not going to settle for the 3rd best OT at number 5. No ****ing way. No way. Not happening. You're assuming Trent williams is a better LT prospect than Albert, which he isn't, and there is no way in haiti that they use the #5 overall on a freaking RT or guard.

Dan Williams on the other hand, i can see them reach for. Reaching for Dan Williams at 5 is not NEARLY has huge of a reach as Trent Williams at 5.

No ****ing way.

Saccopoo 03-11-2010 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 6596928)
No. The Chiefs are not going to settle for the 3rd best OT at number 5. No ****ing way. No way. Not happening. You're assuming Trent williams is a better LT prospect than Albert, which he isn't, and there is no way in haiti that they use the #5 overall on a freaking RT or guard.

Dan Williams on the other hand, i can see them reach for. Reaching for Dan Williams at 5 is not NEARLY has huge of a reach as Trent Williams at 5.

No ****ing way.

What's more important - an offensive tackle (right or left, it doesn't matter) or a safety?

Sully 03-11-2010 06:41 PM

Hey, everyone! Look at me!!!

Mecca 03-11-2010 06:42 PM

That's really not how you should phrase this argument if you take Williams over Berry you are going to be a laughingstock.

Sully 03-11-2010 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6596964)
What's more important - an offensive tackle (right or left, it doesn't matter) or a safety?

What's more important? Taking the best player, not the third best (arguably) at his position.

Saccopoo 03-11-2010 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6596970)
That's really not how you should phrase this argument if you take Williams over Berry you are going to be a laughingstock.

Tell me that it couldn't happen. I'm not saying that I'd approve, I'm just throwing out some hypotheticals.

I think that the Chiefs take Berry in that situation, but you've got to be open minded enough to envision that Trent Williams or Gerald McCoy would be possibilities at that point.

BossChief 03-11-2010 06:48 PM

Trent Williams = one in every draft (and a NFL RT, most likely)
Dan Williams = one in every two drafts at maximum, more likely is one in every draft
Eric Berry = one in every 7 or 8 drafts
SUH = one in every 15 drafts
Gerald McCoy = one in every three drafts

BossChief 03-11-2010 06:50 PM

With more and more teams in the NFL going spread and 3/4 wideouts, a playmaking, rangy safety is becoming one of the more important positions in the NFL.

Fish 03-11-2010 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 6596817)
It's a true fan's wet dream. 3 OTs in the first 5 picks.

Seriously... this Truefan™ OT obsession is beyond stupid.

Saccopoo 03-11-2010 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sully (Post 6596975)
What's more important? Taking the best player, not the third best (arguably) at his position.

Depends on the position, and offensive tackle usually supersedes safety in terms of positional value. Case in point:

2009 six offensive linemen were chosen prior to the first safety taken in the draft.

In 2008, NFL teams thought that the 8th best offensive tackle was better than the best safety in the draft.

2007 two offensive tackles were taken prior to "generational" talent safety LaRon Landry.

I don't think that it's much of a stretch from a historical perspective as well as a positional value perspective to see the Chiefs take the third best offensive tackle over the best safety.

Sully 03-11-2010 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6597018)
Depends on the position, and offensive tackle usually supersedes safety in terms of positional value. Case in point:

2009 six offensive linemen were chosen prior to the first safety taken in the draft.

In 2008, NFL teams thought that the 8th best offensive tackle was better than the best safety in the draft.

2007 two offensive tackles were taken prior to "generational" talent safety LaRon Landry.

I don't think that it's much of a stretch from a historical perspective as well as a positional value perspective to see the Chiefs take the third best offensive tackle over the best safety.

Considering Berry is seen as approximately a once-in-a-decade type safety, there's no historical significance to that at all.

Jesus. Listen to yourself.

Put it this way. What would your reaction be if Clausen supporters made the hypothetical of "If Clausen and Bradford are both off the board, we should draft leFevour at 5!!!"
You'd rightly laugh at that idea, as we are all rightly laughing at your dumbass idea.

KCrockaholic 03-11-2010 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6596777)
Only a true ****ing idiot would think tha Bulaga will go in the top 4.

This.

ToxSocks 03-11-2010 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sully (Post 6597032)
Considering Berry is seen as approximately a once-in-a-decade type safety, there's no historical significance to that at all.

Jesus. Listen to yourself.

Put it this way. What would your reaction be if Clausen supporters made the hypothetical of "If Clausen and Bradford are both off the board, we should draft leFevour at 5!!!"
You'd rightly laugh at that idea, as we are all rightly laughing at your dumbass idea.

Nice post.

keg in kc 03-11-2010 07:10 PM

I have no idea what this thread's actually about, cause I have saccopoo on ignore (and christ how it improves the board), but "If Okung and Bulaga are off the board..."

I'm going to dance! A happy dance!

Mecca 03-11-2010 07:11 PM

Look I could see the argument for McCoy the problem here is it either says Dorsey has to go to Jackson has to go and replacing a top 5 pick with another top 5 pick 2 years in seems counterproductive.


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