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Saul Good 03-21-2010 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6620697)
I would think that when people take off their homer goggles, they see that Mawae is a better center than Casey at this point in their careers.

The point being, that if you're going to sign an older, veteran stopgap, why not sign (or attempt to sign) the more talented of the two?

Maybe I'm a homer, but I don't think that there's enough difference between the two to say that one would be materially better nor worse than the other. Mawae is older and will earn more. I'll take Wiegmann, but I think you're pretty much talking about two guys who are too similar to really take a strong opinion either way.

OnTheWarpath15 03-21-2010 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 6620718)
Maybe I'm a homer, but I don't think that there's enough difference between the two to say that one would be materially better nor worse than the other. Mawae is older and will earn more. I'll take Wiegmann, but I think you're pretty much talking about two guys who are too similar to really take a strong opinion either way.

You're a homer.

If I were post a poll at another teams board that had no affiliation with KC, Denver or Tennessee and asked who is the better center, I'd be flat-out shocked if Weigmann took 30% of the votes.

JMO

Marcellus 03-21-2010 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6620726)
You're a homer.

If I were post a poll at another teams board that had no affiliation with KC, Denver or Tennessee and asked who is the better center, I'd be flat-out shocked if Weigmann took 30% of the votes.

JMO

No doubt Mawae has had the better career. At this point the question is whether Mawae is actually that much better or is the significant difference in reputation based on past history more than current talent level.

I really don't know. I am not confident that at this point in their careers there is a huge gap in talent level. Reputation yes, actual talent?

CrazyHorse 03-21-2010 09:09 AM

This will be the second time I know of that Wiegman lost his job to a power run game. When Priest was here he enjoyed a sweep or perimeter run game where the oline pulled. When PH left and LJ was the starter we soon went to the power run game and Casey wasn't built for it. He had a bad season because of it. So he was let go. Not because he was done. He goes to Denver who runs a zone scheme and immediately goes to the probowl. After Shanny leaves, the Donks get away from the zone scheme, Casey has a bad season. Out the door he goes for the second time.

Hopefully, there's a little left in the tank. Centers last a long time, but he is 37, right? A 1 year contract will tell the story. But the answer is, we are moving back to a more diverse running attack. I welcome it.

As for Lilja. .If the Colts are going bigger, then he should be let go. That's the answer. If you are at the end of your contract, and you dont fit the scheme, you get let go. If he passed a physical for us, and played every game last season, then the question is, who said he failed a physical. I remember Turley passing a physical though, that he probably had no business passing. Either way, we aren't on the hook for much on the deal and he stands to help us over what we have. Even if he's no better than mediocre.

The question is, will these guys help this team get better?

The answer is, it's a break even or win proposition. I'll take that every time.

chiefzilla1501 03-21-2010 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6620726)
You're a homer.

If I were post a poll at another teams board that had no affiliation with KC, Denver or Tennessee and asked who is the better center, I'd be flat-out shocked if Weigmann took 30% of the votes.

JMO

Mawae is currently a better player. But did you also factor in that he's 2.5 years older and might have been a tougher sell to bring into the city of Kansas City? Wiegmann's old. But Mawae is 39. That's scary.

OnTheWarpath15 03-21-2010 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6620961)
Mawae is currently a better player. But did you also factor in that he's 2.5 years older and might have been a tougher sell to bring into the city of Kansas City? Wiegmann's old. But Mawae is 39. That's scary.

If it's for one year, what's the difference?

Give me the better player.

Now, KC being a tough sell I agree with completely. But it doesn't appear that they even attempted to bring him in.

chiefzilla1501 03-21-2010 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6620966)
If it's for one year, what's the difference?

Give me the better player.

Now, KC being a tough sell I agree with completely. But it doesn't appear that they even attempted to bring him in.

I think the point being it's not like we're talking like two players on completely different talent levels. We're talking about a better player who is going to turn 40 by the end of the season, vs. a slightly younger player who isn't a ton worse than the other guy.

If Mawae is better, it's not by a whole ton, when you factor in age. I think it's just making a mountain out of a mohill.

chiefzilla1501 03-21-2010 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6620631)
Remember when Kendrell Bell "passed" the Chiefs' physical.... :rolleyes:

Bell wasn't lousy because he failed a physical. He was lousy because he wasn't very good outside of Pittsburgh.

Gunther trying to turn a bullrushing 3-4 LB into a versatile 4-3 LB reeks of fail.

milkman 03-21-2010 11:01 AM

What's a mohill?

Saul Good 03-21-2010 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6620992)
I think the point being it's not like we're talking like two players on completely different talent levels. We're talking about a better player who is going to turn 40 by the end of the season, vs. a slightly younger player who isn't a ton worse than the other guy.

If Mawae is better, it's not by a whole ton, when you factor in age. I think it's just making a mountain out of a mohill.

Unfortunately, that's where we are right now. What does it say about your franchise when people are debating whether we should have signed the 37 year old center or the 39 year old center?

Hammock Parties 03-21-2010 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6620995)
Bell wasn't lousy because he failed a physical. He was lousy because he wasn't very good outside of Pittsburgh.

Gunther trying to turn a bullrushing 3-4 LB into a versatile 4-3 LB reeks of fail.

Yeah, calling BS.

He couldn't even raise his hands over his shoulders.

Saul Good 03-21-2010 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6620996)
What's a mohill?

They are in the southeast part of the state.

milkman 03-21-2010 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 6621001)
They are in the southeast part of the state.

Which state?

Is it anything like the town in Ireland?

chiefzilla1501 03-21-2010 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 6620998)
Unfortunately, that's where we are right now. What does it say about your franchise when people are debating whether we should have signed the 37 year old center or the 39 year old center?

It definitely doesn't say a lot. But I think it does say a lot when people are using this as a basis to complain.

I'm more upset about passing on Dansby, Rolle, and maybe Walter. I can understand getting mad about not signing long-term options. But these guys are clearly brought in to be stopgaps.

Saul Good 03-21-2010 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6621005)
Which state?

Is it anything like the town in Ireland?

You may want to ask MoHillbilly.


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