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Sweet Daddy Hate 09-14-2010 03:06 PM

Great take. Rep.

Sully 09-14-2010 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 7005690)
There are a few things that made me angry from last night's game.

Thomas Jones is a good RB. A great backup guy as well a guy that can be plugged into the game during shot yard situations.

BUT

Give the ****in ball toe Charles more, my god. The time he broke that 60 yard run for a TD he had what....1 single carry??? That's it?!?! He touched the ball one time?!?! I don't understand Haley's thought process on that. Don't exactly know what more Charles has to do to get more touches on the field. It makes no sense to leave him on the sidelines that much when he's pretty much the only sure thing we have on offense.

We have a QB that is just ****ing pathetic. So what can maybe hide that a little bit(if anything)? How about a running back that can break open a long TD run on virtually any given chance? The more he's in, the more defenses will have to respect us. Teams already are going to load up the box on us because defenses will look across the trench and see Cassel behind center and they will start laughing at us.

I don't mind the switchups between kickoff/punt returners. Both IMO are very good at it and can rip one open anytime. Our ST play is going to be A LOT better than last years. It's probably gonna have to be a strength for this team if we wanna be competitive this season. Our offense isn't a strong one, if we can start w/ good field position or maybe even break one open, it could really help our offense.

I hate being the negative guy about Charles, but even after last season, I'm not sold on him as a full time back, for three reasons...
1) his left shoulder is made of Velcro.
2) he has shown a fumbling problem.
3) every once in a while, he does something boneheaded. Last night's uncontested run out of bounds short of the marker on fourth down is one example.

I honestly think if he got 2x the carries, he'd only get 10-15% more yardage. So playing Jones more, in that theory, makes sense.

Deberg_1990 09-14-2010 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sully (Post 7005945)
I hate being the negative guy about Charles, but even after last season, I'm not sold on him as a full time back, for three reasons...
1) his left shoulder is made of Velcro.
2) he has shown a fumbling problem.
3) every once in a while, he does something boneheaded. Last night's uncontested run out of bounds short of the marker on fourth down is one example.

I honestly think if he got 2x the carries, he'd only get 10-15% more yardage. So playing Jones more, in that theory, makes sense.

Im with you on this 100% and ill trust Haley and Weis on this over anybody on this board.

They are doing the right thing.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-14-2010 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 7005956)
Im with you on this 100% and ill trust Haley and Weis on this over anybody on this board.

They are doing the right thing.

There's a time and place to run Charles, and I think they're getting it right.

AndChiefs 09-14-2010 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ROR (Post 7005964)
There's a time and place to run Charles, and I think they're getting it right.

Personally I think he runs better when lined up behind the QB at center...I'm not saying all his runs should be from there but most of the time they tried doing draws with him which I'm not a huge fan of. It allows the defense to already be moving.

JD10367 09-14-2010 05:27 PM

Your fans are dedicated. An impressive sea of noisy red.

The O-line wasn't blocking well, it was rainy, and the receivers weren't holding onto balls. /CasselApologist

Guys on your defense who last year people complained about are now guys who looked like All-Pros last night. Conclusion: Romeo Crennel ****ing rocks.

The Chiefs should roll Cleveland next week (they suck balls, and I think Delhomme had an even lower passer rating against Tampa than Cassel did last night). Seattle goes to Denver, St. Louis to Oakland, and Jacksonville to SD, so the Chiefs have to take care of business or else the whole division might be 1-1. But it's nice to see those suckbags all at 0-1 right now; along with Indy being the only winless team in the AFCS, and the Jets losing, it made my weekend. ROFL

cdcox 09-14-2010 05:45 PM

I really enjoyed this take, especially your comments on the D-line play and coaching.

KC Jones 09-14-2010 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 7005663)
I can't help but wonder how much of Weis' perceived lack of faith in Cassel early in the game stems from the fact that he was hit on four of his first five pass attempts. He was hit three times the first series, and then was sacked when Philips blew by Richardson to end the second series. The third series was when they began to run the ball (9 yards by Jones, 4 yards by Charles and then the 56-yarder).

This is exactly what I was thinking about when reading Sully's comments about the line providing good pass protection. I think later in the game Cassel had some time to throw, but early on he had 1-2 seconds before he was getting hit.

JD10367 09-14-2010 05:50 PM

Interesting comment by one of the talking heads on ESPN, about how Crennel coaches a D in a similar style as Belichick, using the last play as example when they blanketed Gates (the idea being, don't let their best player beat you, make them beat you with the third or fourth option). Seems simple enough, but it's just an example of how more competent coaching can cure a lot of ills.

Deberg_1990 09-14-2010 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 7006085)
Interesting comment by one of the talking heads on ESPN, about how Crennel coaches a D in a similar style as Belichick, using the last play as example when they blanketed Gates (the idea being, don't let their best player beat you, make them beat you with the third or fourth option). Seems simple enough, but it's just an example of how more competent coaching can cure a lot of ills.

Yep....and you will often see no name guys have big nights like Naanee last night.

Sully 09-14-2010 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Jones (Post 7006079)
This is exactly what I was thinking about when reading Sully's comments about the line providing good pass protection. I think later in the game Cassel had some time to throw, but early on he had 1-2 seconds before he was getting hit.

I agree that he's not standing back there like 70s Stabler or Daniel when he was at Mizzou. But I think, for the most part, he's had plenty of time for at least three reads.

Sully 09-14-2010 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 7006092)
Yep....and you will often see no name guys have big nights like Naanee last night.

Off subject, but I can't listen to that guy's name without thinking of Martin Short summoning the Invisible Swordsman...

"trip, trip, trip, trip, trip... NANEE!!!

JD10367 09-14-2010 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 7006092)
Yep....and you will often see no name guys have big nights like Naanee last night.

The Pats certainly had some name players in their SB seasons... but they also made a lot of chicken salad with chickenshit, especially in the defensive backfield. There are many good things about Belichick, but one of the better ones is the fact that, as they like to say, he "puts players in position to make plays". In other words, coaching to their strengths, putting them into positions to succeed, not putting square pegs into round holes, etc.,. It's how he takes guys like Mike Vrabel and Wes Welker and suddenly they look Canton-bound. If Romeo can do the same thing for the Chiefs, some of these defensive players who've been underperforming might suddenly live up to potential. There are many philosophies to winning, but one of the simpler is, you have to run the ball, and stop the run... if those keep happening, the 11-5 prediction I made for KC won't seem as stupid as it did a month ago.

Dayze 09-14-2010 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sully (Post 7006132)
Off subject, but I can't listen to that guy's name without thinking of Martin Short summoning the Invisible Swordsman...

"trip, trip, trip, trip, trip... NANEE!!!

farley farley farley, ahh farrrrrrr.r...

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-14-2010 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 7006133)
The Pats certainly had some name players in their SB seasons... but they also made a lot of chicken salad with chickenshit, especially in the defensive backfield. There are many good things about Belichick, but one of the better ones is the fact that, as they like to say, he "puts players in position to make plays". In other words, coaching to their strengths, putting them into positions to succeed, not putting square pegs into round holes, etc.,. It's how he takes guys like Mike Vrabel and Wes Welker and suddenly they look Canton-bound. If Romeo can do the same thing for the Chiefs, some of these defensive players who've been underperforming might suddenly live up to potential. There are many philosophies to winning, but one of the simpler is, you have to run the ball, and stop the run... if those keep happening, the 11-5 prediction I made for KC won't seem as stupid as it did a month ago.

There's a lot of season left, but Romeo gets my vote for Greatest Overall Addition to this franchise.
He may not be a great HC, but that mother****er can dial a defense like nobody's business.


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