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The Bad Guy 01-07-2011 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 7328368)
Drafted in that order?

In terms of need:

OLB, NT, WR, RT, C, ILB

milkman 01-07-2011 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 7328360)
Yes.

I'm thinking what we are going to need is another wideout, another linebacker at both inside and outside, and some help on the offensive line, namely right tackle.

I agree, for the most part, though I think NT is a bigger need than ILB.

These LBs could play with a lot more freedom with a NT that commands attention.

I think that Belcher has a lot of room for growth and improvement, especially in pass coverage, but should he continue to grow, he should be fine.

TimeForWasp 01-07-2011 11:34 AM

who knows. maybe the chiefs can prove that the AFC north are frauds.

petegz28 01-07-2011 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 7328313)
The +6 game turnaround from last season and +8 game turnaround from 2 years ago and winning the division doesnt reveal progress?

Sort of what I was thinking. Suddenly we are supposed to be world beaters when just 4 short months ago it was deemed that 8-8 was a successfull season for this team.

LaChapelle 01-07-2011 11:39 AM

There is an old Vegas singer that sings your tune
My petty Fraudline

FringeNC 01-07-2011 11:39 AM

I'm eager to see if the O-line can bounce back after the Raiders debacle. If Albert gets dominated again...

By the way, calling us a fraud is asinine. It presumes that we are regarded as being a very good football team. We're not. We're an improving team who was well enough coached to beat the bad teams around the league, which is something our division rivals can't claim.

Norman Einstein 01-07-2011 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7328354)
The fact that this team won games against bad teams, games that they didn't win in previous years, is progress.

Nothing that happens against the Ravens will do anything to dismiss the fact that they have progressed.

What we'll learn against the Ravens, is what is needed to continue that progression.

If by chance the Chiefs totally dominate the Ravens will your last statement still be true?

The Chiefs are better now than at any time in the past 4 years. Edwards first year was just a holdover from DV, years 2 and 3 showed his true talent to tear a team down to nothing. If you are going for rebuild that might be a good plan but you have to run it by the upper management if you are going that direction so they know that year 4 should be the turning point, or 5 or 6.

Haley might not be the greatest HC we've ever had, but he is a leader and it seems the team pretty much follow that leadership.

It would be great if the Chiefs have all of the stars lined up and can get to the SB. That's not expected by anyone, but any good things happening after going 10-6 is gravy. We expected nothing after the 0-4 Pre-Season and are in the Playoffs. Gotta love change.

jAZ 01-07-2011 11:40 AM

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milkman 01-07-2011 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 7328403)
If by chance the Chiefs totally dominate the Ravens will your last statement still be true?

I think it's true in every game, regardless of win or loss.

chiefzilla1501 01-07-2011 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 7328403)
If by chance the Chiefs totally dominate the Ravens will your last statement still be true?

The Chiefs are better now than at any time in the past 4 years. Edwards first year was just a holdover from DV, years 2 and 3 showed his true talent to tear a team down to nothing. If you are going for rebuild that might be a good plan but you have to run it by the upper management if you are going that direction so they know that year 4 should be the turning point, or 5 or 6.

Haley might not be the greatest HC we've ever had, but he is a leader and it seems the team pretty much follow that leadership.

It would be great if the Chiefs have all of the stars lined up and can get to the SB. That's not expected by anyone, but any good things happening after going 10-6 is gravy. We expected nothing after the 0-4 Pre-Season and are in the Playoffs. Gotta love change.


Year 4, 5, or 6 would have been a turning point for the Chiefs if Carl Peterson didn't get in the way.

Herm Edwards wasn't a good coach, but he was 100% right about the rebuild and it's inaccurate to say he tore the team down to nothing as if that's a bad thing. The Chiefs wouldn't be where they are today if he didn't have the balls to do that.

Like Herm Edwards or not, you have to feel bad for a guy who did the right thing and got canned for doing it.

Bearcat 01-07-2011 11:45 AM

I'll just be glad when it's Sunday and people finally stop talking about the f***ing Raiders game. :facepalm:

Norman Einstein 01-07-2011 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 7328419)
Year 4, 5, or 6 would have been a turning point for the Chiefs if Carl Peterson didn't get in the way.

Herm Edwards wasn't a good coach, but he was 100% right about the rebuild and it's inaccurate to say he tore the team down to nothing as if that's a bad thing. The Chiefs wouldn't be where they are today if he didn't have the balls to do that.

Like Herm Edwards or not, you have to feel bad for a guy who did the right thing and got canned for doing it.

It wasn't that he had the balls to do it, he was inept enough to do it. 4-12 and 2-14 isn't a plan, it's an outright failure. If his teardown was intentional he didn't talk with the front office about it or he wouldn't have been fired.

His intentions were not to take the team down, but as I said he is inept as a head coach, I doubt that he ever gets the chance to prove differently in the NFL again.

The Chiefs aren't where they are today because of Herman, they are there due to the ability of the new staff to get the most out of players. If the current administration had of been there instead of Peterson/Edwards TG would still be playing for the Chiefs and there is a likelihood that they would have already won a SB over the past 4 years. That's just my opinion but when you turn a team around in two years, there is more to it than left over draft picks.

Marcellus 01-07-2011 12:05 PM

You rehash the same shit every article with absolutely nothing to back up your assertions.

If X happens it means Y. Really?

milkman 01-07-2011 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 7328467)
It wasn't that he had the balls to do it, he was inept enough to do it. 4-12 and 2-14 isn't a plan, it's an outright failure. If his teardown was intentional he didn't talk with the front office about it or he wouldn't have been fired.

His intentions were not to take the team down, but as I said he is inept as a head coach, I doubt that he ever gets the chance to prove differently in the NFL again.

The Chiefs aren't where they are today because of Herman, they are there due to the ability of the new staff to get the most out of players. If the current administration had of been there instead of Peterson/Edwards TG would still be playing for the Chiefs and there is a likelihood that they would have already won a SB over the past 4 years. That's just my opinion but when you turn a team around in two years, there is more to it than left over draft picks.

It was pretty well documented that Herman ****ing Edwards went over Carl's head to Clark Hunt and got him to buy into the idea of rebuilding the roster, and that Clark Hunt gave the final decision to fire or retain Herman ****ing Edwards to Pioli, but he did get him to agree to talk with him before that final decision, which is why Pioli didn't fire him immediately after he took the reins.

chiefzilla1501 01-07-2011 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 7328467)
It wasn't that he had the balls to do it, he was inept enough to do it. 4-12 and 2-14 isn't a plan, it's an outright failure. If his teardown was intentional he didn't talk with the front office about it or he wouldn't have been fired.

His intentions were not to take the team down, but as I said he is inept as a head coach, I doubt that he ever gets the chance to prove differently in the NFL again.

The Chiefs aren't where they are today because of Herman, they are there due to the ability of the new staff to get the most out of players. If the current administration had of been there instead of Peterson/Edwards TG would still be playing for the Chiefs and there is a likelihood that they would have already won a SB over the past 4 years. That's just my opinion but when you turn a team around in two years, there is more to it than left over draft picks.

Bull
****ing
Shit

Herm Edwards drafted the single worst team in football in terms of players under 30. Not even close. It's not his fault that Roaf, Green, Shields, Kennison, Dante Hall, Surtain, Knight, Wesley/Woods, Priest were all on the way out of the NFL.

It's been well documented that Herm always wanted to rebuild, but Carl Peterson stubbornly insisted that the team reload. That's why we made genius moves like bringing in Ty Law and Damion McIntosh at a time when we needed youth and we were low on cap space.

And it's been well documented that Herm went over Carl's head and got in Clark Hunt's ear, which is the only reason the Chiefs tore the team apart and focused on rebuilding through youth.

Without Herm, Carl Peterson would have tried to win fans back by reloading the team with more versions of Shawn Barber and Dexter McCleon and we would have been content with our 10-6, 1-and-out playoff losers with no Super Bowl potential. Herm Edwards deserves all the credit in the world for giving Pioli a good base to work with.


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