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RockChalk 01-19-2011 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 7369151)
My take, unlike the last police shooting posted here, is that this guy was never given a chance to follow directions.

"POLICE! SEARCH WARRANT!"

Bang, bang, bang.

"GET ON THE GROUND!"

I'm not saying that the raid was well-conducted. Seems pretty typical of most county riot squads. However, that is a high-adrenaline situation and the officer did what he did (probably out of being startled/scared). I'm sure he didn't go out and celebrate with beers over killing the man though.

jd1020 01-19-2011 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RockChalk (Post 7369167)
I'm not saying that the raid was well-conducted. Seems pretty typical of most county riot squads. However, that is a high-adrenaline situation and the officer did what he did (probably out of being startled/scared). I'm sure he didn't go out and celebrate with beers over killing the man though.

Weird, I thought law enforcement agents were trained how to handle adrenaline.

Dave Lane 01-19-2011 04:16 PM

That was completely ridiculous. The guy was just standing there. Nothing threatening all.

DMAC 01-19-2011 04:18 PM

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"This is not about money," Doesberg said. "If it's about money, it feels vindictive and dirty. I just don't want this to happen to anyone else."
uh huh

Rasputin 01-19-2011 04:19 PM

I call shenanigans

RockChalk 01-19-2011 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 7369175)
Weird, I thought law enforcement agents were trained how to handle adrenaline.

They are, but it doesn't mean 100% of them handle it properly. My guess is that given the fact he was a Sgt and led the raid, he had ascended the ranks through the years, which means he likely graded out well through the years. However, I couldn't find much background information on the office in question, so that's pure speculation.

jd1020 01-19-2011 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RockChalk (Post 7369194)
They are, but it doesn't mean 100% of them handle it properly. My guess is that given the fact he was a Sgt and led the raid, he had ascended the ranks through the years, which means he likely graded out well through the years. However, I couldn't find much background information on the office in question, so that's pure speculation.

Then the ones that dont handle it properly dont deserve the badge. That simple.

RockChalk 01-19-2011 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 7369176)
That was completely ridiculous. The guy was just standing there. Nothing threatening all.

Well I don't think any of us have led a drug raid before, so I'm not sure anyone can comment on whether the situation was threatening or non-threatening.

I said above that given his reaction he was likely startled/threatened, but nobody knows how he felt other than him.

Simplex3 01-19-2011 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RockChalk (Post 7369194)
However, I couldn't find much background information on the office in question, so that's pure speculation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_810420.html

"The killer, Sgt. Burnett, had previously told a law-enforcement magazine that he and fellow officers were trained to shoot quickly and at close range. Burnett had previously put the training to use by shooting and killing an armed suspect in 2008."

RockChalk 01-19-2011 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 7369197)
Then the ones that dont handle it properly dont deserve the badge. That simple.

I agree. And there are plenty of law enforcement agents out there that don't deserve the badge. But we don't know this particular officer's track record. What if this was his one mistake (quick trigger finger) in 20 years? What if he is a highly decorated officer? Would you feel any differently about him?

Rasputin 01-19-2011 04:30 PM

Cops just **** with people up north, wouldn't want to be these guys...

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:D

RockChalk 01-19-2011 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Simplex3 (Post 7369224)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_810420.html

"The killer, Sgt. Burnett, had previously told a law-enforcement magazine that he and fellow officers were trained to shoot quickly and at close range. Burnett had previously put the training to use by shooting and killing an armed suspect in 2008."

:eek:

Given that article, I take back what I said about this particular officer in question. It appears they led a shoddy raid and did not follow protocol. Not shocked at this as I did say that it's not atypical of county special forces to be full of idiots.

Fish 01-19-2011 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Simplex3 (Post 7369224)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_810420.html

"The killer, Sgt. Burnett, had previously told a law-enforcement magazine that he and fellow officers were trained to shoot quickly and at close range. Burnett had previously put the training to use by shooting and killing an armed suspect in 2008."

Damn....

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Originally Posted by article
The Salt Lake Tribune reported that the main focus of the police investigation had been Blair's roommate, who police said in the application for the warrant would destroy evidence if they weren't given authority to carry out a "no-knock" raid. But police were aware that his roommate had moved out.

Police tried to detain Blair so that he wouldn't be in the house when it was raided, but pulled over the wrong person. Despite that mistake, and despite the knowledge that the roommate had moved out, the raid on Blair was still carried out. It was hastily planned, reported the Tribune, diverting from protocol. Burnett, who shot Blair, told investigators that it is "absolutely not our standard" to carry out such a raid with as little planning as was done, according to the Tribune.

It was so hastily carried out, in fact, that police forgot the warrant. According to the Tribune, in the video it obtained an officer can be heard asking: "Did somebody grab a copy of the warrant off my desk?"


MOhillbilly 01-19-2011 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RockChalk (Post 7369219)
Well I don't think any of us have led a drug raid before, so I'm not sure anyone can comment on whether the situation was threatening or non-threatening.

ummmmmmm. never mind.

thebrad84 01-19-2011 04:42 PM

Would be nice to know why they decided to execute this raid in the middle of the night during poor lighting situations. That definitely plays a factor in why the first officer reacted the way he did when he lit up a target that was holding an object in a defensive manner. It should be fairly common knowledge, and especially known to highly trained raid team members, that when someone hears loud banging on their front door during the night that said person will most likely grab something to defend themselves whether it be police or not, which is the reason I'm second-guessing their decision to execute the raid during the night. To me that seems like they are creating a much more dangerous situation not only for the suspect but also for themselves.


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