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SAUTO 02-25-2011 07:58 PM

Isn't football entertainment?
He just brought a championship to auburn, he probably is an icon around there.
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Brock 02-25-2011 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 7453612)
I'm not his biggest fan by any means, but at least Sanchez got out there and threw. Newton had probably surpassed Gabbert in many peoples minds before opening his mouth.

Sanchez had to throw.

tk13 02-25-2011 08:24 PM

I like Gabbert, I can't say I'm all that excited about the rest of them. Just not a fan of Mallett at all... he's got the tools but just made so many boneheaded decisions.

BigCatDaddy 02-25-2011 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7453630)
Bradford was on record as having made all the throws necessary to throw at the combine by that date. His advisers used that injury as an excuse.

Hell, QBs can't win in these things.

Go back and bump the 2009 combine thread. Read over how many were pillorying Sanchez because he was throwing to a bunch of 7th round draft picks.

Then, read all the Pat White ballwashing (including from Mayock) based on the same workout.

We went over this last year and decided Dr. James Andrews opinion was probably the one to listen to.

BigCatDaddy 02-25-2011 08:33 PM

What I'm hearing, so don't shoot the messenger is that Gabbert's deep ball isn't that goodand he wouldn't want to look like a noodle arm compared to Mallett and Newton.

My point it I was excited, but now not so much. Right now my pipe dream is trading back and picking Ponder.

However, I'll probably change again after the combine.

BigCatDaddy 02-25-2011 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 7453641)
Sanchez had to throw.

Why?

keg in kc 02-25-2011 09:44 PM

It doesn't look like we expected it to look a year ago, but I think Gabbert's going to be a star. I like him more than anybody that's been out since Matt Ryan.

RealSNR 02-25-2011 10:24 PM

God I hope the Chiefs get a shot at Ponder in the 2nd

BigCatDaddy 02-25-2011 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 7453797)
It doesn't look like we expected it to look a year ago, but I think Gabbert's going to be a star. I like him more than anybody that's been out since Matt Ryan.

I'm not sure how since he wasn't exactly a great college QB. I would feel more comfortable with a guy that did it in college and has the tools like Bradford did his entire career and Ryan did his senior year.

I just didn't see a great QB when I watched the MU games, but I really didn't see a great QB when I watched Freeman at KSU either and he worked out pretty well so far. Freeman has been a better pro then college QB so maybe Gabbert will surprise me and do the same.

jd1020 02-25-2011 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 7453862)
God I hope the Chiefs get a shot at Ponder in the 2nd

I dont.

I'd rather spend the first few picks on players who are actually going to start. Ponder's had a hard time staying healthy with shoulder injuries and he has already had 2 surgeries on his elbow.

If the Chiefs pay Cassel the most we are looking at is a solid backup. They are plenty of guys that could fill that role later in the draft such as Devlin, Dalton, Stanzi, Enderle, etc...

aturnis 02-25-2011 11:11 PM

The is the only QB who separates himself from the rest is Newton. Newton is the most talented QB with the most potential. Kind of reminds me of Warren Moon. Great arm strength and with some work on his mechanics, he could be pretty accurate. Big questions for him though and the reason he might fall is the fact that he's more a runner/playmaker than a true QB, and his decision making. He's got the hood in him, and it shows on and off the field. If you can get him to focus like the Iggles did Vick, that is what you could have, a hell of a QB with the ability to make huge plays. If he had a good head on his shoulders and played QB more like a QB, he could be a Warren Moon type guy.

Gabbert is not a real elite QB. He is benefiting from a QB class that is weak at the top. In any decent QB year, he's the Ponder of the bunch. I have not seen Gabbert do anything to separate himself from most of the mid-tier QB's in this draft. I haven't seen him do anything so much better than the Ponder(forget him, didn't know about the elbow surgeries), Stanzi, Foles, type of guys, that he commands a top pick in the draft. If and when he goes high, it will solely be b/c of the fact that he is the best, safest, and most justifiable QB available for a team who needs to take a shot on a QB. Good luck to that team. Not saying he won't make it, he's just less a sure thing than the traditional 1st round QB who is never really a sure thing.

Give me Ponder, Foles, Stanzi, or Devlin and I'll be content.

jd1020 02-25-2011 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 7453940)
Give me Ponder, Foles, Stanzi, or Devlin and I'll be content.

Didn't he go back to AZ?

BigCatDaddy 02-25-2011 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 7453940)
The is the only QB who separates himself from the rest is Newton. Newton is the most talented QB with the most potential. Kind of reminds me of Warren Moon. Great arm strength and with some work on his mechanics, he could be pretty accurate. Big questions for him though and the reason he might fall is the fact that he's more a runner/playmaker than a true QB, and his decision making. He's got the hood in him, and it shows on and off the field. If you can get him to focus like the Iggles did Vick, that is what you could have, a hell of a QB with the ability to make huge plays. If he had a good head on his shoulders and played QB more like a QB, he could be a Warren Moon type guy.

Gabbert is not a real elite QB. He is benefiting from a QB class that is weak at the top. In any decent QB year, he's the Ponder of the bunch. I have not seen Gabbert do anything to separate himself from most of the mid-tier QB's in this draft. I haven't seen him do anything so much better than the Ponder, Stanzi, Foles, type of guys, that he commands a top pick in the draft. If and when he goes high, it will solely be b/c of the fact that he is the best, safest, and most justifiable QB available for a team who needs to take a shot on a QB. Good luck to that team. Not saying he won't make it, he's just less a sure thing than the traditional 1st round QB who is never really a sure thing.

Give me Ponder, Foles, Stanzi, or Devlin and I'll be content.

I think Mallett also has a superior skill set to the rest. He may not run like Newton, but he has the best arm of the bunch. The problem is with the intangibles we might be talking Elvis Grbac upside here.

Urc Burry 02-25-2011 11:35 PM

I actually believe in Cam...If he can get into the right situation like Vick in Philly, I think he can be a star...but it will take time

aturnis 02-25-2011 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 7453949)
Didn't he go back to AZ?

Did he? That sucks. Well, I like Stanzi the most then, b/c I know the most about him, and he is a fairly finished guy who is safe. His major flaws are the deep ball and touch pass. Other than that, his game is solid.

His deep ball problem is no different than Gabbert's, so it seems to me that Gabberts main advantages over Stanzi are his touch pass and operating in the spread made his look a bit better. Stanzi actually has the arm, he just never really got the chance to hit the deep ball all that often. Neither DJK or McNutt were huge deep threats, but ran good routes, and have good hands. Stanzi could hit them in stride and with DJK having that Rod Smith up field in a hurry quality about him, it led to some big plays. Bowe could benefit from Stanzi's accuracy. His touch pass though, well, I hope it can be coached into him, b/c if he had it now, he'd be much higher rated.

I don't know enough about Dalton and Enderle. Like someone else said though, I'm not sure about taking a ginger...


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