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Chiefnj2 09-15-2011 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 7910750)
I thought i was going to turn the TV on and see a bunch of players that were unprepared and overmatched. Instead i saw a gross misuse of player personnel.
You don't think they were overmatched? Berry gave up a TD, Flowers gave up 2, Jackson carried multiple defenders on a consistent basis ...

ToxSocks 09-15-2011 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl (Post 7910762)
You're absolutely right. The problem with what you say about Dorsey is if they put him in sub packages too then he ends up playing too many snaps. Most coaches/teams run their personnel packages the same way - according to personnel from the opposition. Buffalo was gonna move the ball one way or the other. You can't give a guy like Chan Gailey an entire offseason to gameplan for you after you fired him the year previous. That IMO was the main problem from a defensive perspective. I'd worry a lot more about the offense than the defense at this point. The casshole looks like he's continued his late season regression from last year - and Bill Muir looks like he'd fit right in as playcaller for Herm.
The Chiefs had no problem playing Dorsey a lot last season. He held up fine and it worked. Dorsey and Gregg should've been in on 1st and 2nd downs, Gilberry and Bailey can come in on 3rd down.

The fact remains: The Bills came out on 1st down and made the Chiefs think Pass. Chiefs put their pass rushing specialists out there and got run all over. Time after time again. It's pretty freaking easy to get a 1st down when the offense is looking at 2nd and 4 every series.

You'd think that Romeo would learn. Gaily ran circles around Crennel.

Frosty 09-15-2011 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 7910752)
Sorry....let me rephrase that.

How long has it been since they've run a ****ing screen play that worked?
Probably back in the DV days.

Coogs 09-15-2011 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 7910775)
The Chiefs had no problem playing Dorsey a lot last season. He held up fine and it worked. Dorsey and Gregg should've been in on 1st and 2nd downs, Gilberry and Bailey can come in on 3rd down.

The fact remains: The Bills came out on 1st down and made the Chiefs think Pass. Chiefs put their pass rushing specialists out there and got run all over. Time after time again. It's pretty freaking easy to get a 1st down when the offense is looking at 2nd and 4 every series.

You'd think that Romeo would learn. Gaily ran circles around Crennel.
I've never really understood why Dorsey doesn't slide into the inside on our 3rd down set... which is essentially a 4 man line. Houston and Hali on the ends, Dorsey and whoever else at the DT spots.

ToxSocks 09-15-2011 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7910772)
You don't think they were overmatched? Berry gave up a TD, Flowers gave up 2, Jackson carried multiple defenders on a consistent basis ...
No, I don't. I think the Chiefs coaches asked certain players to do things that they aren't good at doing. In return they got beat. The Berry TD was given up on a very short field. The Flowers TD was just a great play by Stevie. Flowers had good coverage. Johnson had 4 catches for 66 Yards. That hardly says overmatched to me.

The O-line certainly was not man handled. Charles showed flashes of nearly breaking a big one. The D-Line got handled when the wrong personnel were out there.

If you knew the Bills were going to run on you, do you think putting Gilberry and Bailey out there is a good idea? That's exactly what I mean by putting your players in a position to fail.

The Franchise 09-15-2011 12:15 PM
I don't want to hear shit about protection issues. Cassel had plenty of time. He just completely shit himself all game long.

Chiefnj2 09-15-2011 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 7910799)
No, I don't. I think the Chiefs coaches asked certain players to do things that they aren't good at doing. In return they got beat. The Berry TD was given up on a very short field. The Flowers TD was just a great play by Stevie. Flowers had good coverage. Johnson had 4 catches for 66 Yards. That hardly says overmatched to me.

The O-line certainly was not man handled. Charles showed flashes of nearly breaking a big one. The D-Line got handled when the wrong personnel were out there.

If you knew the Bills were going to run on you, do you think putting Gilberry and Bailey out there is a good idea? That's exactly what I mean by putting your players in a position to fail.
Fitz went 7 for 7 when throwing at McGraw, Pisc and Lewis. Those three were overmatched. What's the excuse for lack of a pass rush, wrong personnel on the field?

ToxSocks 09-15-2011 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 7910802)
I don't want to hear shit about protection issues. Cassel had plenty of time. He just completely shit himself all game long.
Yup. The O-line held it down for the most part.

One more thing: I understand the Chiefs are trying to get more weapons involved in the passing game, but if it ain't happening, please throw the ****ing ball to Bowe. Covered or not. Give him a chance at least. How many targets did he even get?

KCrockaholic 09-15-2011 12:17 PM
Houston was dropped into coverage about 80% of his snaps.

That's a bad coaching decision. He's a pure pass rusher, yet, he only rushed the passer 3 times.

Mr. Laz 09-15-2011 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by MIAdragon (Post 7910768)
pretty much this. It was a sad effort from top to bottom.
and such a shitty offensive coaching job reflects most directly on the Quarterback.

I'm not saying Cassel is anything more than a game manager type guy but our coaches aren't doing a good enough job. Period.

Like i said before ... Cassel is not much different than Trent Green.

You saddle Green with this shitty coaching staff and scheme, he would look a lot like Cassel. Dazed and confused.

Of course willie roaf helped a ton too. :)

The Franchise 09-15-2011 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7910807)
Fitz went 7 for 7 when throwing at McGraw, Pisc and Lewis. Those three were overmatched. What's the excuse for lack of a pass rush, wrong personnel on the field?
The excuse for the lack of pass rush is Crennel. He repeatedly rushed 3-4 guys....Hali being the only OLB rushing Fitzpatrick. All Buffalo did was double team Hali.

ToxSocks 09-15-2011 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7910807)
Fitz went 7 for 7 when throwing at McGraw, Pisc and Lewis. Those three were overmatched. What's the excuse for lack of a pass rush, wrong personnel on the field?
Rewatch the game.

You're missing my point. Lining pissthebedy over a WR in the slot is a mismatch. Of course he is going to be picked on. It happened all game long. The scheme shouldn't put a player like that in a situation like that. That falls on the hands of the coaching staff. Instead of hiding our defeciencies, Crennel left them to be exposed.

I've been saying it this entire thread.

What's the excuse for the lack of pass rush? Did you watch the game? They didn't even send a pass rush....

Chiefnj2 09-15-2011 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 7910815)
The excuse for the lack of pass rush is Crennel. He repeatedly rushed 3-4 guys....Hali being the only OLB rushing Fitzpatrick. All Buffalo did was double team Hali.
If your front 4 isn't generating a pass rush, then isn't it usually a case where the DL is overmatched by the OL?

Chiefnj2 09-15-2011 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 7910820)
Rewatch the game.
No way.

If Buffalo is 4 wide and Berry is out, who do you want covering the 4th receiver? I'm assuming you are using Flowers, Carr and Arenas on 1-3.

Mr. Laz 09-15-2011 12:25 PM
The made the same mistake on offense and defense.

They tried to use Piscitelli/O'connell like they were Berry/Moeaki with disastrous effect.

It's even worse on offense because Moeaki was hurt before the season even started.


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