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dallaschiefsfan 12-12-2011 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8193772)
Pioli will make another run at Ferentz.

I think you're right about this...but I don't think it happens because Ferentz won't take it in the end.

Rasputin 12-12-2011 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8193710)
It's been said a million times: Get a QB.

Drafting said QB is the key, getting him on the field is also key. The Chiefs are the only NFL franchise not to start a rookie QBotf in 25 years. We are the only NFL team not to draft a QB in the first round in same time frame.

I want to see Stanzi get a shot this year just to see if the Chiefs have the balls to play a rookie QB. I don't believe they do. So even if we draft a QBotf how long do we have to indure suckladge retread QBs before he gets on the field? We havn't had a QB compitition for the covited position, it's allways been someone elses trash that we get deemed to be all we need. It's ****ing bull shit. So realistic I'd like to see a young QB we draft take over the helm to build upon long term success & and have yet another draft pick QB sitting in the wing for an opportunity to up seat the spot to remove the threat of dealing with retread rehash QBs that arn't going to win us jack in the post season.

dallaschiefsfan 12-12-2011 10:33 AM

If Pioli is staying, I'd like him to have a decreased say in personnel. I only see this happening in one way...and it would require Clark to intervene and direct Pioli to get a strong "name" head coach that would naturally want some personnel control. If Pioli were to comply and adjust his role it would become more like the situation he had in New England. I could get on board with this. Clark intervened for Pioli to consider keeping Herm...and to also keep Gailey...so there's at least SOME precedent for this to happen.

htismaqe 12-12-2011 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8193772)
Pioli will make another run at Ferentz.

I'm fairly certain Ferentz is a smart guy and wouldn't touch this cesspool of a mess with a 50-foot pole.

Chiefnj2 12-12-2011 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 8193858)
The Chiefs are the only NFL franchise not to start a rookie QBotf in 25 years. .

3 weeks left to erase that.

Brock 12-12-2011 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8194078)
I'm fairly certain Ferentz is a smart guy and wouldn't touch this cesspool of a mess with a 50-foot pole.

Probably. But I do think he would do well here. If for no other reason, because Pioli would probably listen to him.

htismaqe 12-12-2011 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8194102)
Probably. But I do think he would do well here. If for no other reason, because Pioli would probably listen to him.

I don't know. I think Ferentz gets A LOT more out of his guys than he should, especially the non-skill players - Chad Greenway went from a HS QB playing 8-man in SD to a 1st round LB for instance. If you look across the NFL, you see a lot of Iowa players playing OL, DL, TE, and safety.

Ferentz values guys with high football IQs over guys with low IQ but high talent and that seems to be Pioli's thought-process as well. Part of that though is, I think, him being realistic about the types of guys that would come to Iowa anyway.

At the end of the day though, he's a former OL coach and his approach to the game is a lot like Marty's. I'm not sure I'd want to see him with the Chiefs all things being considered.

Coogs 12-12-2011 11:16 AM

What would give me hope is that if someone like Gruden would want to come to KC, but demanded to be in charge of player personal then I would hope Clark would give it some consideration to clean house including Pioli instead of just saying no, Pioli stays so you are not comming here.

Now it does not have to be Gruden. I was just using him as an example.

ChiefsCountry 12-12-2011 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8194078)
I'm fairly certain Ferentz is a smart guy and wouldn't touch this cesspool of a mess with a 50-foot pole.

I wouldn't say this is a cesspool, the Chiefs have talent. Pioli is a dick is the biggest thing and no QB. That is the cesspool part.

Dayze 12-12-2011 11:30 AM

Draft a legit QB in the 1st. just give it a try, you know...in case it works out.

continue to lock up talent as it's idenfied.

be active in FA to get a good starter; and the rest of time getting depth.

Quesadilla Joe 12-12-2011 11:33 AM

You do realize that if you draft a QB in the first round there is like a 1 in 10 chance that he actually becomes a "Franchise QB", don't you?

You will most likely end up with a Joe Flacco, Josh Freeman, Bradford, Eli Manning, Matt Ryan, or a Stafford.... They are good and will get you 8-10 wins most years, but they will never be GREAT like Manning, Brady, Rodgers, or Brees.

Brock 12-12-2011 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 8194362)
You do realize that if you draft a QB in the first round there is like a 1 in 10 chance that he actually becomes a "Franchise QB", don't you?

You will most likely end up with a Joe Flacco, Josh Freeman, Bradford, Eli Manning, Matt Ryan, or a Stafford.... They are good and will get you 8-10 wins most years, but they will never be GREAT like Manning, Brady, Rodgers, or Brees.

Any of those is better than what we have.

FloridaMan88 12-12-2011 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan (Post 8193889)
If Pioli is staying, I'd like him to have a decreased say in personnel. I only see this happening in one way...and it would require Clark to intervene and direct Pioli to get a strong "name" head coach that would naturally want some personnel control. If Pioli were to comply and adjust his role it would become more like the situation he had in New England. I could get on board with this. Clark intervened for Pioli to consider keeping Herm...and to also keep Gailey...so there's at least SOME precedent for this to happen.

Agreed... 100%.

Clark better have made it clear to Pioli that this is an epic fail on his record. His first head coaching hire getting fired less than 3 full years in.

Gonzo 12-12-2011 11:37 AM

I have a question, well more than a question I suppose...
I have a scenario that asks a question. Yeah, that's it.

Let's say you go to a hardware store. You arrive at this place of business where you routinely purchase a product. Let's say for easy mathematical purposes, this product costs you 70 bucks. You've routinely purchased this product every week for about 20 years and with a little maintenance, it's performed within it's expected parameters, (well, except for the last few years.) You average about $1120 a year on this item give or take.
Slowly but surly over the course of 20 years or so, the product's manufacturer has been cutting corners to save cost. The product just isn't performing to your previous standards. Don't get me wrong, sometimes it works fairly well but most of the time, (let's say 70 - 75%) it really doesn't do the job you expect it to do week in and week out. Actually, to be completely honest with yourself, this product is a real piece of shit at times. They make the same product in other areas, (like the Wisconsin and Boston area market) that actually functions perfectly.
Every time the new model of this particular item comes out, (let's say yearly) the manufacturer promises that they are now producing the item like they did 20 years ago.

They even went so far as to bring in new production managers from the Boston area to ensure the product you have been purchasing is more like their's in that market... (Well, they claim to be managers but the truth is, they're actually overpaid stock boys). They frequently boast the phrase: *** UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT!*** BTW
You'd expect a few bumps and bruises while the new production managers learn their way, right? How long should you give them? 2 years? 3?
Ok, let's say it's been three years and aside from a mediocre performance, the product is now subject to recalls, defects and constant break downs. As a matter of fact, aside from an occasional lucky break, it's pretty much worse than it's ever been.

I guess my question to you all is:

Would you continue to purchase this defective piece of equipment? If so, why? This piece of crap never runs correctly. When it does, it's so intermittent that you can never predict if and when you should use it. When you try to invest more money into it, the company just smiles, says thanks and never really does anything to improve it.



Yeah, we need to draft a ****ing QB.

Reaper16 12-12-2011 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 8194362)
You do realize that if you draft a QB in the first round there is like a 1 in 10 chance that he actually becomes a "Franchise QB", don't you?

You will most likely end up with a Joe Flacco, Josh Freeman, Bradford, Eli Manning, Matt Ryan, or a Stafford.... They are good and will get you 8-10 wins most years, but they will never be GREAT like Manning, Brady, Rodgers, or Brees.

We'll ****ing take it.


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