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petegz28 12-12-2011 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8197248)
You are an idiot.

This defense is built apart from NT and depth.

Jackson and Dorsey are not 3-4 DE's. Dorsey is making strides but again, is not the ideal DE for a 3-4. Jackson has what, 1 or 2 sacks in 3 years? He is constantly blown off the ball and cannot beat 1-1 blocks. neither can Dorsey for that matter. Put those same 2 guys in a 4-3 and suddenly you have 2 badass DT's. The last time the Chiefs had a good 3-4 defense you had Neil Smith, Dan Saly and Joe Phillips. We have nothing of the sort. Plus if you're going to run a coverage defense you are better off in a 4-3. A 3-4 that doesn't constantly attack is not an effective 3-4, imo. We are 2-3 solid Dlineman and a good inside LB away from being an effective 3-4. That's assuming Dorsey continues to get better.

OnTheWarpath15 12-12-2011 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 8197272)
Yes. Tamba Hali is one of the best pass rushers in the game, DJ is one of the best ILB, and Justin Houston is emerging as well. It shouldn't be that hard to find a good Nose Tackle unless Scott Pioli is the GM.

And all those players would play in a 43 as well, no?

Point being, we're just as far away from a good defense in the 43 as we are in the 34 - about 2-3 players.

petegz28 12-12-2011 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8197258)
How is Matt Cassel an honest mistake? Our GM watched him practice every day for four years. You can't miss on evaluations like that.

We weren't the only team who wanted him and he came off an 11-5 record. The hope was he would be up and coming. Well, that was false hope.

Hammock Parties 12-12-2011 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8197267)
Just for the sake of argument, do we really have the personnel to play the 34?

Jackson and Dorsey are average 5-techs at best, and we have no true NT.

Jackson and Dorsey are not average 5 techs. They are poor pass rushers, but they are very good against the run. Amon Gordon is good depth.

If Powe works out we are set at starters.

****ing up what we have put together on D the last two years is not something I am interested in doing.

DeezNutz 12-12-2011 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8197276)
Jackson and Dorsey are not 3-4 DE's. Dorsey is making strides but again, is not the ideal DE for a 3-4. Jackson has what, 1 or 2 sacks in 3 years? He is constantly blown off the ball and cannot beat 1-1 blocks. neither can Dorsey for that matter. Put those same 2 guys in a 4-3 and suddenly you have 2 badass DT's. The last time the Chiefs had a good 3-4 defense you had Neil Smith, Dan Saly and Joe Phillips. We have nothing of the sort. Plus if you're going to run a coverage defense you are better off in a 4-3. A 3-4 that doesn't constantly attack is not an effective 3-4, imo. We are 2-3 solid Dlineman and a good inside LB away from being an effective 3-4. That's assuming Dorsey continues to get better.

Jackson has graded out well against the run unless I'm mistaken. Don't get blinded by the fact that he was a disastrous selection at #3 overall and not be able to recognize that he can contribute on some level.

OnTheWarpath15 12-12-2011 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8197288)
Jackson and Dorsey are not average 5 techs. They are poor pass rushers, but they are very good against the run. Amon Gordon is good depth.

If Powe works out we are set at starters.

****ing up what we have put together on D the last two years is not something I am interested in doing.

Yep.

So good we rank 26th in the league against the run.

KurtCobain 12-12-2011 06:43 PM

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ChiefsCountry 12-12-2011 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8197286)
We weren't the only team who wanted him and he came off an 11-5 record. The hope was he would be up and coming. Well, that was false hope.

Denver with McDumbass
Tampa Bay

Those are the two who wanted him.

Hammock Parties 12-12-2011 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8197283)
And all those players would play in a 43 as well, no?

Point being, we're just as far away from a good defense in the 43 as we are in the 34 - about 2-3 players.

I don't think Dorsey or Jackson would fit in a 4-3 at all, and I think we'd have two find two new outside linebackers who can cover.

This defense is good enough to win a SB if Berry is OK, we get a NT and Houston keeps trending up.

DeezNutz 12-12-2011 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8197286)
We weren't the only team who wanted him and he came off an 11-5 record. The hope was he would be up and coming. Well, that was false hope.

Denver wanted him. More specifically, another douche with The Tree hanging out of his ass was equally as myopic as Pioli.

Mind bottling.

BoneKrusher 12-12-2011 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8197258)
How is Matt Cassel an honest mistake? Our GM watched him practice every day for four years. You can't miss on evaluations like that.



maybe Pioli sent Ray Charles to evaluate Cassel.

Titty Meat 12-12-2011 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8197283)
And all those players would play in a 43 as well, no?

Point being, we're just as far away from a good defense in the 43 as we are in the 34 - about 2-3 players.

Hali and DJ have been far more productive in the 3-4 it would make no sense going back to the 4-3 at this point if those are the guys we're building around on defense.

Hammock Parties 12-12-2011 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8197295)
Yep.

So good we rank 26th in the league against the run.

Here we go with the stats.

That's a very deceptive ranking. PFF ranks the Chiefs as a top 10 run defense. Football Outsiders has us at 17th.

We've given up 4.1 YPC this year (15th) and the defense as a whole is allowing something like 19 PPG after the first two weeks.

Nothing wrong with this D Eric Berry won't fix.

Changing the scheme would be a huge setback.

Titty Meat 12-12-2011 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 8197297)
Denver with McDumbass
Tampa Bay

Those are the two who wanted him.

Was this when Gruden was still the coach? IIRC he didn't get canned til very late in the process.

DeezNutz 12-12-2011 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8197295)
Yep.

So good we rank 26th in the league against the run.

Still weak up the middle.


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