Nobody would care about Tyson Jackson, Haley and Pioli would be getting along, all would be well....if...if Matt Cassel was half the quarterback Scott Pioli still believes. A discussion about Pioli's tenure without the Cassel's failure being the focal point is worthless.

Pioli = smart, 'cause he was with the Patriots you know...

and excelled at getting his glasses spattered with Bill b's @@@@

He openly said he needs to do better.

I think not having a backup QB is on Haley. Palko was clearly his pick at the position and his guy.

I think that Waters being gone is on Haley. If he tells Pioli that he needs Waters, he is still here. The Chiefs were not against the cap. Haley had butted heads with Waters and that is why he is gone.

I think that Gaither starting in San Diego is on Haley. The Chiefs would have been better off putting Albert on the Right side and having Gaither at LT. That is IF the rumors are correct about Gaither refusing to play RT. (Don't think this is true, BTW, but IF true, the CHiefs are STILL better with him at LT and Albert at RT than with Albert at LT and Richardson at RT).

I think that Orton not starting at Chicago is on Haley.

I think that overall, Pioli was working with a petulant child. Toddler Haley was a large part of the problem. The hope was that he would grow into the position. He didn't.

Apparently not; this author actually makes reference to some imaginary "championship window." How anyone can connect the term championship window to a team with no QB and a total of 25 wins in the last five years is beyond me.

I agree with all this. Sure Pioli has made mistakes, but its not like he was just given nothing. Theres alot of talent on this team. A head coaches job is to analyze the skillsets hes been given and to put those players in positions to succeed. Get maximum effort. For the most part Haley was pretty lousy at that.

We need a term for this ... like maybe ... "Awesome Poop Syndrome" ... where you compare average with horrible and call it good.

As for the article, there is much truth in there, but you guys are correct; he's ignoring the 500 pound moron in the room.

I know some people hated his monotonic press conferences (where he was following company policy) or his passion for the game and winning (where he was unafraid to call a spade a spade), but in the end ... when all the smoke has cleared ... and all the chips have fallen ... and all the morons have gone to bed with visions of playoffs dancing in their brains ... Haley's biggest flaw will be the fact that he couldn't coach up a disaster at quarterback and the GM's $90 million dollar, untouchable golden boy.

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And next year when we still suck, who will you blame then? Pioli loves the suckers like you.

I see that differently, though.

To my mind, Haley coached up some players including Bowe, DJ, Albert, Carr ... a bunch of guys who were made better as a result of his efforts.

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For someone as sensible as yourself, you suppose much and prove little.

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The press has been waiting for this since day 1 when Pioli came in and established the veil of secrecy. If KC was winning this year, the media would go along with it. But, with the team losing all guns are aimed at Pioli. Deservedly so for all of his 2009 decisions, but not for the agenda the press has.

Nick is the only one that does it

If you guys read the first bolded part, that's about as much a flame on Cassel as any. Pioli scared to take risks and not go with something he doesn't know about. That spells Cassel because he'd seen him with the Pats. The more I start hearing, the more I start believing that Pioli is crap. Even drafting Stanzi is a flaw now due to that connection with Ferentz.

The only way I'm changing my mindset is if he does what everyone else wants. DRAFT A ****ING QB IN THE 1ST ROUND WITH NO CONNECTIONS!

They did, but the most important thing is, it didnt translate to WINS.

Also, the offense(what Haley was known for) was a complete failure under him. In 3 seasons the only time it was good and consistent was when Weis was here and really only for about an 8 or 9 game run during the middle of last year.

Cassel isnt a huge talent (thats on Pioli) but other coaches have proven you can get at production out of him at times. Haley never got anything out of him.

Do you really think the Chiefs will suck? Heck, even with Haley, they would have been a lot better.

#1) We will have to see if they do, in fact, suck next year.

#2) We will have to see WHY they suck.

See, I try to be objective. I know that is so hard for people on this board to understand. I look at Cassel and can see that he is what Pioli expected. A hard worker who can be good with the right coaching and talent around him. A steady player. A guy to build with... (not build around). A guy that can hold down the position respectably until the right "franchise QB" comes along. Surely not great, but not as awful as this board thinks. Palko should have at least given us SOME appreciation for the fact that Cassel is at least a viable QB option.

But, make no mistake.... if Pioli gets the next hire at HC wrong, he should be out.

I think the late start affected his ability to get the best coach the first time. In hindsight, he would have been better off leaving Herm in place for a year while he looked around to find the right guy.

If he hires McDaniels or Ferentz, this will be his last coaching hire if they are not successful. If he hires a guy like Gruden, Cowher or Fisher, then he will get another hire if they fail.

Pioli scared to take risks...

'cause there was NO RISK in DUMPING JASON BABIN for NOTHING and CONVERTING TO A 3-4....

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