Originally Posted by oldandslow (Post 8308226)

There isn't a rancher/farmer (all conservatives) in SD or NE that supports keystone. Lot's of reasons why.

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8308248)

Eventually they will consider dirt too valuable a resource to dig.

Originally Posted by Coltman (Post 8308280)

said he would not support the Keystone Pipeline. There goes 100,000 good paying jobs.

Originally Posted by penchief (Post 8308296)

I would rank Air, Water, and Soil above gas and oil on the list of most valuable resources. Just my opinion, though.

Unfortunately, my opinion doesn't count as much the opinions of those who place Wall Street profits above all else that is holy.

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 8308315)

Boy, I sure hope you don't use any crude products. You know, those which are delivered to you and your vehicle by pipeline and by sea.

Originally Posted by penchief (Post 8308404)

Gee, I hope you don't expect to breathe clean air or drink clean water. You know, those things that are essential to your existence.

Hey, I'm all good with energy exploration. I'm all for energy independence, too. Just because our choices are limited by a market that is monopolized by fossil fuels doesn't mean that I'm a hypocrite if I choose air and water over gas and oil. I just want it done safely and cleanly. If it can't be done safely and cleanly we are smart enough to find a better way. But we choose not to because of greed.

However, if it can't be done cleanly and safely I'm all for waiting until it can. The long term cost for the many can be too high just so a few in the short term can get rich.

Drill Baby Drill isn't about energy independence, either. It's about a few entities getting filthy rich. 90% of the gas being extracted from the Marcellus shale goes straight to the world market. At a huge environmental cost to the people who live in that region.

Interesting that America's number one export is fuel but the rhetoric is still about energy independence. It's all propaganda and double speak by the energy industry and those who get rich manipulating the market. It doesn't matter if the pursuit of that goal turns the United States into a third world country in the process.

The Keystone Pipeline is not going to make us any more energy independent than the Marcellus Shale. And it sure as hell won't make the price of gas go down either. The threat of high gas prices is the gun put to our head by the industry in order to continue getting its way. It will make a bunch of people rich, though. It's all a big game and we are forced to play along.

Lies, lies, and more lies.....

Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 8308436)

Vasoline is a petroleum product.
The CP should be in panic mode by Monday!

Originally Posted by oldandslow (Post 8308226)

There isn't a rancher/farmer (all conservatives) in SD or NE that supports keystone. Lot's of reasons why.

Originally Posted by penchief (Post 8308404)

Drill Baby Drill isn't about energy independence, either. It's about a few entities getting filthy rich.

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 8308428)

That's the longest, "Well, yeah, I buy lots of gasoline but I like to bitch about it occasionally being messy" response I've ever seen.

You already use plenty of crude from Canada and Mexico.

Originally Posted by penchief (Post 8308503)

Again, I guess you don't ever breathe clean air or drink clean water. Because it would seem that some people take those type of things for granted.

I buy as little gasoline as I can. I'm a conservative that way. However, your analogy is weak. The only way someone could avoid using petrolium products in our society is to kill themself. Or live like Grizzly Adams (which by the way, is the direction I'm headed). But thanks to the fact that there is a damn gas rig on every ****ing mountain top in my back yard now, that dream is kind of ****ed, too.

Just because we've chosen to **** ourselves over with fossil fuels doesn't mean we might as well say, "**** it," and go all in. Which is exactly what we are doing at the cost of our future. If we can put a man on the moon we can do better than this. We can develop the technology to extract it and burn it more safely but we choose not to because its all about the money first.