I really doubt they will expose a 4th round pick to waivers. If he isn't going to make the team this year, I would expect that he will suffer "an injury" ala Gabe Miller.

Means nothing SNR. These are the Chiefs...the organization that employed f'ing William Bartee forever. That didn't make him good...he sucked ass.

Copper is no better than average regardless of whether he makes the final roster. You really don't think Copper couldn't easily be replaced...?

This draft is at least a "B"...if not a bit better.

Can't generate any feeling one way or the other towards the 50th guy on the roster.

If he makes it - eh, we're unlikely to be cutting the next Victor Cruz to keep him. If he doesn't - well that's fine, too.

I just get a kick out of this special teams ace status that he's been given. Seriously - there's nothing special about what he does out there. Every single team in the league has a guy like him and there are dozens more out on waivers. He's a guy that coaches like to have around because he tries hard and listens well. Guys like that kinda need a justification to stick around because they don't really contribute elsewhere.

So suddenly they get the ST ace tag.

He's just a guy. He's as replaceable as anyone on the roster. Though ultimately whoever we keep over him is 90% likely to just as replaceable - so I don't really care either way.

Where is his replacement coming from, dude? Hmm? Where is it?

You all said it was Verran Tucker last year. Oh, you mean the chump who still hasn't found a job in the NFL in spite of having starting experience as a WR in 2010?

In 2009 it was Ashley Lelie, which started this whole ****ing faux obsession of mine. "Lelie is waaaay better than Copper! What the hell?!" you all said. Oh, you mean the guy who has been out of the NFL for 3+ years?

Copper is given a small job to do and he does it well. DJ'sLN says his special teams ace status is far overblown. I don't think he's an ace necessarily, but that's his thing. That's what he does, and he's good at it. Not only that, but he's a far better 4th/5th WR than anybody else we've put out there. Ever notice how when we get a new QB in the game it's Copper who seems to be the first guy to gel with him on offense? Orton sure did like him last year.

Feel free to chastise me with questions like, "So you're okay with shit, huh?" The fact is, I would welcome an upgrade over Copper, sure. When is that going to happen, though? Hmm? When? Who?

Who's going to beat Terrance Copper? He was supposed to be a training camp cut in 2009.

Why isn't Terrance Copper gone, yet? What's the matter? Must be that the coaching staff has an unnatural obsession with the player, right? Yeah, THAT must be it. :rolleyes:

Point to the guy who's going to get Terrance Copper cut this year. I'll show you a person with an irrational hope that we can find the next Miles Austin/Victor Cruz undrafted standout.

Because in order for us to find that player we need to look for that player. And in order to look for that player we need him on the 53 man roster. And in order for him to be on the 53 man roster he has to beat out Terrance Copper.

U mad?

I don't know if he's the best blocking WR on the team, but that's how Haley seemed to use Copper. He was like a blocking specialist as a WR.

I think SNR is right. He'll make the team again and a lot of people will be pissed, like when I told people Jackie Battle was going to make the team last year because he played special teams. People were furious with Battle's fumbles in the pre-season last year.

I don't think Wylie ends up on the practice squad. He can cover kicks and he'll make a push to be the punt returner.

It's DaKCMan AP's recommended Awesome breakdown.

Whoa....

I never suggested *I* believe him to be a special teams "ace".

The CHIEFS are the ones that appear to value him as such, not me.

While he may be replaceable, they won't replace him. We both know that. He was one of their ST captains in 2010 IIRC.

I disagree with your take on Wylie being a practice squad candidate. He had enough interest in him after the combine to be plucked quickly. I fully expect him to win the kick/punt return job and don't see how they could have both him and Copper active on gameday.

Should be an interesting battle.
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I think with a team mostly comprised of young guys and more young guys coming in all the time, Copper is motivation.

He shows any guy, a 7th rounder, a UDFA, or whatever, that you CAN make a career out of playing special teams. Hard work, and stay disciplined in your assignments.

Yep. When he starts becoming a liability like Vrabel then we can think about cutting him.

The right 54?

If you're not cheating you're not trying.

Him winning the return job isn't gonna push Copper out. Arenas and McCluster are the return guys. Copper is the setup guy and also plays on coverage units.

Wylie will have to win the return job AND a WR spot to have any hope of pushing Copper out.

I think they'll like Wylie at WR because he has a unique skill set. He's really the only true deep threat on the team. Plus, he does provide that short area burst and quickness to be an effective slot guy.

He's unlikely to be Wes Welker. He's more like a faster, more polished Julian Edelman.