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htismaqe 09-20-2012 08:44 PM
Hey Pete, DJ says he's sorry he ran over your dog. He's gonna send you a care package.

JFC, move on already.

htismaqe 09-20-2012 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 8931908)
But Daniels is taking himself out of the play by pursuing the TE. Spiller would run right by before he could ever change direction.

I'm sure that technically there is a blown assignment, but clearly that scheme is exposed. DJ holds the edge and Spiller runs up the center right past the Dlineman being double teamed and the safety chasing the TE. DJ hits the inside hole and Spiller bounces it outside because Hali is nine miles wide, tunnel visioned on the QB.

It's horrible. Even played perfectly, how does that D stand a chance? And the embarrassing thing is it's on a short field. We can't cover the pass in a 22 yard box without 6 guys in the backfield? ****ing horrible.
It's all DJ's fault. He sucks. Get with the program.

jspchief 09-20-2012 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8931913)
It's all DJ's fault. He sucks. Get with the program.
Perhaps it is. My second guess is it's Hali's fault.

But the real problem is it's a terrible defensive alignment.

petegz28 09-20-2012 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 8931908)
But Daniels is taking himself out of the play by pursuing the TE. Spiller would run right by before he could ever change direction.

I'm sure that technically there is a blown assignment, but clearly that scheme is exposed. DJ holds the edge and Spiller runs up the center right past the Dlineman being double teamed and the safety chasing the TE. DJ hits the inside hole and Spiller bounces it outside because Hali is nine miles wide, tunnel visioned on the QB.

It's horrible. Even played perfectly, how does that D stand a chance? And the embarrassing thing is it's on a short field. We can't cover the pass in a 22 yard box without 6 guys in the backfield? ****ing horrible.
I agree the D was a bad formation to begin with. But if DJ hold his spot he isn't caught up in the muck and is in better position to make a play wherever it goes.

htismaqe 09-20-2012 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 8931918)
Perhaps it is. My second guess is it's Hali's fault.

But the real problem is it's a terrible defensive alignment.
Can't blame Romeo.

These players are quitters and they suck.

Nevermind that they've been All-Pro (no not Pro Bowl, ALL PRO) in the past when they're not running this STUPID ****ING HALF ASSED SCHEME.

jspchief 09-20-2012 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8931925)
I agree the D was a bad formation to begin with. But if DJ hold his spot he isn't caught up in the muck and is in better position to make a play wherever it goes.
Unless DJ is covering the gap that he's supposed to. If he's not, you're suggesting that Daniels shouldn't have been chasing Chandler.

Watch it at about the 12-13 second mark and look at the hole DJ fills. If he's not there, that play never bounces outside. Watch how far past that hole Daniels is by the time he recognizes run and tries to reverse direction.

I guarantee, if Johnson stays outside that 10 yards up the middle instead of to the outside.

Ace Gunner 09-20-2012 08:58 PM
Romeo missed that tackle did he? Damn.


The reason 34 defense is used in the NFL is to get more "king of the jungle" LB's on the field.

Crennel has a long history of good defensive stats. DJ and these other players don't.

RC is toast either way, I just want to tell you guys you are going to be nailed when the next coach comes in and dumps DJ and any other dumbass LB that isn't king.

milkman 09-20-2012 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Lou_Zare (Post 8931988)
Romeo missed that tackle did he? Damn.


The reason 34 defense is used in the NFL is to get more "king of the jungle" LB's on the field.

Crennel has a long history of good defensive stats. DJ and these other players don't.

RC is toast either way, I just want to tell you guys you are going to be nailed when the next coach comes in and dumps DJ and any other dumbass LB that isn't king.
That ism't a 34 front.

htismaqe 09-20-2012 09:01 PM
If only we could get #52 on the field more. He's a REAL LB.

FAX 09-20-2012 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 8931978)
Unless DJ is covering the gap that he's supposed to. If he's not, you're suggesting that Daniels shouldn't have been chasing Chandler.

Watch it at about the 12-13 second mark and look at the hole DJ fills. If he's not there, that play never bounces outside. Watch how far past that hole Daniels is by the time he recognizes run and tries to reverse direction.

I guarantee, if Johnson stays outside that 10 yards up the middle instead of to the outside.
I don't know ... you may well be right, but that play looks like it could easily be designed misdirection to me.

FAX

Black Bob 09-20-2012 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Lou_Zare (Post 8931988)
RAC is toast either way, I just want to tell you guys you are going to be nailed when the next coach comes in and dumps DJ and any other dumbass LB that isn't king.
I think that is a likely scenario.

chiefzilla1501 09-20-2012 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8931851)
Romeo whiffs with that 2-3-6 defense.

It's hard to stop the run with 2 down linemen. DJ and Daniels blew it but, we were screwed when Chan decided to run. This is the problem guys. RAC needs to go back to the standard nickel packages (3-3-5 and 4-2-5). Every TD we have given up but one has come from that formation.

If we are in a normal nickel, Berry comes up and knocks the shit out of Spiller. Instead he is stuck in the wash trying to blitz the QB.

What is DJ even doing on that play? How is he supposed to find a hole with two down linemen? i don't think he played it completely right but, the deck was already stacked against him. It's a bad defensive formation.

I have no idea why Romeo is changing what worked fairly well for the last two years.
I think you're right on the 2-down linemen. I don't know how you can say DJ blew it. That middle gap is exposed and I'd rather seal that hole up than the cutback lane. In this case, we're not playing 2-gap. I don't know what the **** we're playing, because we don't have nearly enough linemen occupying gaps.

This is why I don't blame DJ that much for the problems we have right now. When the D-linemen don't occupy their gaps, it's hard for him to figure out where he needs to be. He had to occupy a gap and because he chose the gap he did, he left another gap exposed.

Black Bob 09-20-2012 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8932063)
I think you're right on the 2-down linemen. I don't know how you can say DJ blew it. That middle gap is exposed and I'd rather seal that hole up than the cutback lane. In this case, we're not playing 2-gap. I don't know what the **** we're playing, because we don't have nearly enough linemen occupying gaps.

This is why I don't blame DJ that much for the problems we have right now. When the D-linemen don't occupy their gaps, it's hard for him to figure out where he needs to be. He had to occupy a gap and because he chose the gap he did, he left another gap exposed.
I hear you but, he is giving up catches too. I think he gave up five catches out of six balls thrown at him? He also gave up a TD.

Ace Gunner 09-21-2012 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8931994)
That ism't a 34 front.
True. Also true is the fact these LB's aren't very good at anything -- unfortunately my point is carrying a lot more info about the ineptness of the Chiefs defense than yours does.

But look at the down/distance. 2nd & 10, 17 yards out, barely in the red zone.

I would not say using dime pkg in that situation is wrong and that is what some say in this thread.

What I did say was these LB's are doing nothing.

Tamba is as much to blame as DJ during this play. He did not take the right angle to this play, not even as a pass rusher. DJ did not take the right angle either and his only responsibility is the middle of the field on this particular play, so I fault DJ more here. This play unfolded right in front of him and he got beat for the score.

alpha_omega 09-21-2012 01:19 PM
I'd love to help you Pete, but i can't stand to watch that again.


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