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Just Passin' By 05-03-2013 12:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Setsuna (Post 9655079)
...ROFLLMAOLMAOROFL And this is why I'm a Chief.
You're a Chief because even a team with a terrible QB situation had serious questions about this year's QB class?

ChiliConCarnage 05-03-2013 12:16 PM
interesting article. The 2.6 second thing with Gabbert must make them think there is a chance.

DaKCMan AP 05-03-2013 12:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Setsuna (Post 9655079)
Guys...I meant after they drafted said OT. I want to know the records of all those teams for however long that player played for them. I'm saying that record is under .500.
I understand what you meant. I stand by my statement: I think regardless of position drafted, teams that draft in the top-10 are likely to have records below 0.500 following that draft.

Look at the 2007 draft which gives us 6 years of data:

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2007        Draft                                                2007                2008                2009                2010                2011                2012                Total               
                                                        W        L        W        L        W        L        W        L        W        L        W        L        W        L        %
1        OAK        QB JaMarcus Russell                        4        12        5        11        5        11        8        8        8        8        4        12        34        62        0.354               
2        DET        WR Calvin Johnson                        7        9        0        16        2        14        6        10        10        6        4        12        29        67        0.302               
3        CLE        OT Joe Thomas                                10        6        4        12        5        11        5        11        4        12        5        11        33        63        0.344       
4        TB        DE Gaines Adams                                9        7        9        7        3        13        10        6        4        12        7        9        42        54        0.438       
5        ARI        OT Levi Brown                                8        8        9        7        10        6        5        11        8        8        5        11        45        51        0.469       
6        WAS        SS LaRon Landry                                9        7        8        8        4        12        6        10        5        11        10        6        42        54        0.438       
7        MIN        RB Adrian Peterson                        8        8        10        6        12        4        6        10        3        13        10        6        49        47        0.510               
8        ATL        DE Jamaal Anderson                        4        12        11        5        9        7        13        3        10        6        13        3        60        36        0.625               
9        MIA        WR Ted Ginn Jr.                                1        15        11        5        7        9        7        9        6        10        7        9        39        57        0.406       
10        HOU        DT Amobi Okoye                                8        8        8        8        9        7        6        10        10        6        12        4        53        43        0.552

70% of the teams have losing records 6 years following their top-10 selection.

ChiefsCountry 05-03-2013 12:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 9655104)
I understand what you meant. I stand by my statement: I think regardless of position drafted, teams that draft in the top-10 are likely to have records below 0.500 following that draft.

Look at the 2007 draft which gives us 6 years of data:

Code:
2007        Draft                                                2007                2008                2009                2010                2011                2012                Total               
                                                        W        L        W        L        W        L        W        L        W        L        W        L        W        L        %
1        OAK        QB JaMarcus Russell                        4        12        5        11        5        11        8        8        8        8        4        12        34        62        0.354               
2        DET        WR Calvin Johnson                        7        9        0        16        2        14        6        10        10        6        4        12        29        67        0.302               
3        CLE        OT Joe Thomas                                10        6        4        12        5        11        5        11        4        12        5        11        33        63        0.344       
4        TB        DE Gaines Adams                                9        7        9        7        3        13        10        6        4        12        7        9        42        54        0.438       
5        ARI        OT Levi Brown                                8        8        9        7        10        6        5        11        8        8        5        11        45        51        0.469       
6        WAS        SS LaRon Landry                                9        7        8        8        4        12        6        10        5        11        10        6        42        54        0.438       
7        MIN        RB Adrian Peterson                        8        8        10        6        12        4        6        10        3        13        10        6        49        47        0.510               
8        ATL        DE Jamaal Anderson                        4        12        11        5        9        7        13        3        10        6        13        3        60        36        0.625               
9        MIA        WR Ted Ginn Jr.                                1        15        11        5        7        9        7        9        6        10        7        9        39        57        0.406       
10        HOU        DT Amobi Okoye                                8        8        8        8        9        7        6        10        10        6        12        4        53        43        0.552

70% of the teams have losing records 6 years following their top-10 selection.
And only 4 of those teams drafted a quarterback in the top 10. Oakland with Russell, Detroit with Stafford, Falcons with Ryan and Skins with RGIII.

MagicHef 05-03-2013 12:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 9655049)
I'd bet that the W-L record of teams that draft in the top 10 is poor regardless of what position they select.
Here you go: looking at early picks (left), QBs, CBs and LBs improve their teams, other positions do not. (Zero is the average winning percentage of teams that picked at that spot, so a positive number means that the team was better than expected after the pick, and a negative number means they were worse than expected.)

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Hammock Parties 05-03-2013 01:53 PM
They did it because Geno Smith, oh no, it risky.

Mother****erJones 05-03-2013 02:24 PM
Sad that Jacksonville has a team, need to go to LA

-King- 05-03-2013 02:39 PM
Quote:
According to Khan's data, 71 percent of tackles drafted in the top 10 from 1995 to 2008 have made at least one Pro Bowl, while only 16 percent of tackles drafted between 11 and 32 over that period did the same. Also, top-10 tackles drafted from 1990 to 2008 averaged a staggering 70.5 starts in their first five years, a number that dipped to 58.5 starts for those drafted from 11 to 32.
Um, can't you do this with literally any position?

Mr. Laz 05-03-2013 02:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9655331)
Um, can't you do this with literally any position?
i dunno ... seems like a lot of high picks for QB and WR bust out.

aturnis 05-03-2013 05:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Setsuna (Post 9655041)
It was a terrible move. The fact is Khan refused to look at all the W-L records of these teams that drafted these tackles in the top 10. I bet it's well under .500. You can't justify that BS. You really can't. That pick was the last straw that made me give up on that organization.
You got a new team?

Setsuna 05-03-2013 06:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 9655085)
You're a Chief because even a team with a terrible QB situation had serious questions about this year's QB class?
No because they think Gabbert can amount to anything. A 5-19 starter in the league.

Quote:
Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9655640)
You got a new team?
Yes. Yours.

RealSNR 05-03-2013 06:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9655640)
You got a new team?
Yup. A team that drafted an OT at the top of the draft. Just like the Jags did.

I actually like Setsuna, but I do find it to be an odd choice of a new team

the Talking Can 05-03-2013 06:05 PM
jags and chiefs are the worst teams in the league...is your answer to why they drafted that way


bad teams do dumb things

jags trading away Barkley for a 7th is just epic ****ing stupidity

Setsuna 05-03-2013 06:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9655652)
Yup. A team that drafted an OT at the top of the draft. Just like the Jags did.

I actually like Setsuna, but I do find it to be an odd new choice of teams.
Well I never really had a team in the NFL anyway. Never wanted to be a Jag fan when they were created. I chose the Chiefs for their passionate fans, pretty much just all you guys. Specifically the SOC thing made a big impression on me.

beach tribe 05-03-2013 06:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Setsuna (Post 9655079)
Guys...I meant after they drafted said OT. I want to know the records of all those teams for however long that player played for them. I'm saying that record is under .500.


ROFLLMAOLMAOROFL And this is why I'm a Chief.
Dude. **** off. If you can just change teams anytime you want, you were never a Jag to begin with and you sure as shit are not a Chief.


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