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keg in kc 05-19-2013 10:13 AM

Read this, then go look up the scores to the 2005 Eagles/Redskins games and then try not to think of this primer as being 8 years old and spread all over the league.

beach tribe 05-19-2013 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 9691610)
I assume they are high % chance for completion with minimal gain. With guys like D Bowe can break away from tackles or lean forward for extra yards.

My big concern is if we end up with a bunch of three and outs from incomplete passes and we don't give the defense much rest. Dustin Colquitt could have another busy year ahead of him.

Smith has had at or close to 70% comp. pct. the last two seasons and the short passes are the ones he was hitting on, so you can probably quell those fears at least.

I'm more worried about him being able to hit Bowe deep, who will be playing the T.O. role for us.
If he can it's gonna be nasty.

I'll hold out hope till I see it.

chiefzilla1501 05-19-2013 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by EagleRob (Post 9691721)
Spot on.

Thanks. There seems to be this misperception that because Reid doesn't run the ball, he's Mike Martz. It's not the same thing. Martz was just too arrogant to run the ball. Andy Reid's offense is more similar to the New England offense in the early 2000s with Antowain Smith and Kevin Faulk. Nobody would have accused those guys of not valuing their RBs.

milkman 05-19-2013 10:34 AM

I am not as down on Alex Smith as some.

I believe in Reid's offense that he can continue to be an efficient, effctive game manager, as he was in SF, even if he's asked to pass 30-35 times a game, and that Charles and Bowe (and Cyrus Gray, who I still believe was a great pick last year) will be big time YAC players with the accuracy that Smith has in the short zones and the intermediate middle.

My problem is that I just don't believe that game plan can be successful against the better defenses in this league, and those defenses can take that away from Smith and the Chiefs, forcing Smith to beat them by taking the top off, which he hasn't shown he is capable of doing.

chiefzilla1501 05-19-2013 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9691781)
I am not as down on Alex Smith as some.

I believe in Reid's offense that he can continue to be an efficient, effctive game manager, as he was in SF, even if he's asked to pass 30-35 times a game, and that Charles and Bowe (and Cyrus Gray, who I still believe was a great pick last year) will be big time YAC players with the accuracy that Smith has in the short zones and the intermediate middle.

My problem is that I just don't believe that game plan can be successful against the better defenses in this league, and those defenses can take that away from Smith and the Chiefs, forcing Smith to beat them by taking the top off, which he hasn't shown he is capable of doing.

The more I read up on the pistol, the more I'm intrigued. I agree with what you're saying here, but it's interesting that a guy who's been in the league this long (Reid) is interested in changing his ways.

If they figure out how to make the spread option and pistol work, and Smith or Daniel could very possibly do that, that makes the offense a lot less one-dimensional. And even the best defenses of today haven't yet figured out the solution here.

boogblaster 05-19-2013 10:57 AM

basic westcoast .. schemes altered by what OC .. SHOULD SEE .. as game progresses .....

EagleRob 05-19-2013 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9691755)
Thanks. There seems to be this misperception that because Reid doesn't run the ball, he's Mike Martz. It's not the same thing. Martz was just too arrogant to run the ball. Andy Reid's offense is more similar to the New England offense in the early 2000s with Antowain Smith and Kevin Faulk. Nobody would have accused those guys of not valuing their RBs.

He does run but its about 57/43 in favor of the pass and he throws in some traditional running spots like 1st and Goal from the 3, so it seems like that's all he does. What does this thing in when it blows up is holding calls on the tackles and procedure calls - I remember an inordinate number of illegal formation calls. Then he's forced to throw and everyone knows its coming...so he will run a HB screen on 3rd and 19.

SAUTO 05-19-2013 11:09 AM

Its funny how many here bashed the pistol when gailey was using it
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crazycoffey 05-19-2013 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9691828)
Its funny how many here bashed the pistol when gailey was using it
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It's a fad that will never last in the pros, defenses are too fast for it to be used all the time. Sound familiar?

crazycoffey 05-19-2013 04:11 PM

Absolute gold, thigpen, Alex, chase and the pistol all in one thread.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...Pistol+offense

SAUTO 05-19-2013 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by crazycoffey (Post 9692402)
It's a fad that will never last in the pros, defenses are too fast for it to be used all the time. Sound familiar?

Exactly. Lol
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bigjosh 05-19-2013 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 9691610)
I assume they are high % chance for completion with minimal gain. With guys like D Bowe can break away from tackles or lean forward for extra yards.

My big concern is if we end up with a bunch of three and outs from incomplete passes and we don't give the defense much rest. Dustin Colquitt could have another busy year ahead of him.

Too risky, must run on first and second down. /true fan

Simply Red 05-19-2013 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleRob (Post 9691586)
This offense is really fun to watch. The screen and short pass are used where a lot of teams would traditionally run.

Hopefully the Chiefs can run those sort of plays, we're mentally challenged ya know?

crazycoffey 05-19-2013 04:34 PM

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...82&postcount=3

What's the over under on clays flip flop back to loving AS?

beach tribe 05-19-2013 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by crazycoffey (Post 9692501)
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...82&postcount=3

What's the over under on clays flip flop back to loving AS?

You can go back to after the 2011 POs and TONS of people on this board were drinking his jizz and saying he had come of age.
A lot of those same people now shit all over him.


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