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Halfcan 05-01-2014 09:34 AM

If the Chiefs can plug in 3 solid starter out of this draft-that would be a win!

OldSchool 05-01-2014 09:49 AM

Fact of the matter is, the odds stacked against the possibility of Brandin Cooks becoming a legitimate #1 WR threat in the sense that guys like Julio Jones, Megatron, AJ Green, Fitzgerald, etc are, are taller than Brandin Cooks is.

I'm going to use the same argument that everyone else uses against drafting interior linemen in the 1st round.

Great slot WRs can be found in the mid to late rounds in the draft. That's especially true in this draft which is the deepest its been in a while, especially at the WR position.

Wes Welker - UDFA
Victor Cruz - UDFA
Randall Cobb - Round 2 Pick 64
Danny Amendola - UDFA
Lance Moore - UDFA
Kendall Wright - 1st round pick 20
Cecil Shorts III - 4th round pick 114
Doug Baldwin - UDFA
T.Y. Hilton - 3rd round, pick 92
etc.

I think you get the picture now.

The Franchise 05-01-2014 10:24 AM

No one has said that Cooks has legitimate #1 WR potential.

RealSNR 05-01-2014 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10597167)
Fact of the matter is, the odds stacked against the possibility of Brandin Cooks becoming a legitimate #1 WR threat in the sense that guys like Julio Jones, Megatron, AJ Green, Fitzgerald, etc are, are taller than Brandin Cooks is.

I'm going to use the same argument that everyone else uses against drafting interior linemen in the 1st round.

Great slot WRs can be found in the mid to late rounds in the draft. That's especially true in this draft which is the deepest its been in a while, especially at the WR position.

Wes Welker - UDFA
Victor Cruz - UDFA
Randall Cobb - Round 2 Pick 64
Danny Amendola - UDFA
Lance Moore - UDFA
Kendall Wright - 1st round pick 20
Cecil Shorts III - 4th round pick 114
Doug Baldwin - UDFA
T.Y. Hilton - 3rd round, pick 92
etc.

I think you get the picture now.

How many of those guys put up the college numbers that Brandin Cooks did WHILE playing in a pro style system all three years that he was a starter?

With the exception of Cobb, who made his mark as a kick returner more than anything, very few of those guys had successful college careers.

Cooks has had excellent production while playing for 3 different QBs each year. He's put up 1000+ receiving yards in seasons where he was scrounging for catches with guys like Markus Wheaton, and he also put up ungodly jaw-dropping numbers while he was THE #1 guy getting double-teamed constantly (2013).

The argument I've always been making is that Cooks isn't just some slot guy that can be grabbed at any point. He's much more than that, and I'm willing to bet that he leads rookie WRs in 2014 in production.

That's completely different from rationalizing a pick like Xavier Su'a Filo over a midround guard like Dakota Dozier.

The Franchise 05-01-2014 10:51 AM

Scott Mannion and Cody Vaz. Those are the QBs that Cooks has had.

RealSNR 05-01-2014 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10597239)
Scott Mannion and Cody Vaz. Those are the QBs that Cooks has had.

I thought Mannion was a 1-year starter? I could be wrong.

In any case, yeah. Sean Mannion and Cody Vaz. Not exactly what I call inflated stats due to the system or the other players.

The Franchise 05-01-2014 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10597262)
I thought Mannion was a 1-year starter? I could be wrong.

In any case, yeah. Sean Mannion and Cody Vaz. Not exactly what I call inflated stats due to the system or the other players.

Mannion started the entire season last year. The year before that....he started the season but got hurt and then it was QB roulette between Vaz and Mannion for the rest of the season.

RunKC 05-01-2014 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10597137)
I may be a Brandin Cooks supporter....but this statement is ****ing reeruned.

Same numbers at the combine.....so he must be as good as better. What awards did Campanaro win last year?

Look at him play, man. He's not the elite straight line speed guy, but he does have that quickness and short area speed.

I would love Cooks, but at this point I'll be shocked if TE Eagles don't draft him.

Jackson is gone, Maclin is coming off a torn ACL and Cooper is decent but jot that great.

RunKC 05-01-2014 11:16 AM

Say Cooks and ODB are gone. Who are you going to draft now at 23? Latimer is my choice.

The Franchise 05-01-2014 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10597299)
Say Cooks and ODB are gone. Who are you going to draft now at 23? Latimer is my choice.

Are we talking WRs only at #23?

RealSNR 05-01-2014 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10597299)
Say Cooks and ODB are gone. Who are you going to draft now at 23? Latimer is my choice.

I'd love Latimer.

Hell, I'll probably grump a little bit about Matthews simply because there are players I like better, but he's clearly got a lot of great things going for him and how we would use him in this offense. In the end, I think I would be satisfied if we took him at 23.

Just no ****ing interior offensive linemen. :#

kccrow 05-01-2014 02:34 PM

I don't give two shits about how good Cooks is or isn't in this particular thread to be honest. There is one fact, Campanaro was VERY productive at Wake Forest, and with that added to the measurements to back it up, he could be a steal of a pick as a slot receiver later in the draft.

The question you people should be asking, if you're so hell bent on Cooks, is whether or not Cooks is better than Matthews, as they appear to translate to the pros, and my answer is no.

patteeu 05-01-2014 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 10597574)
I don't give two shits about how good Cooks is or isn't in this particular thread to be honest. There is one fact, Campanaro was VERY productive at Wake Forest, and with that added to the measurements to back it up, he could be a steal of a pick as a slot receiver later in the draft.

The question you people should be asking, if you're so hell bent on Cooks, is whether or not Cooks is better than Matthews, as they appear to translate to the pros, and my answer is no.

I don't know who will end up being better, but I'd rather take my chances with Matthews.

The Franchise 05-01-2014 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 10597574)
I don't give two shits about how good Cooks is or isn't in this particular thread to be honest. There is one fact, Campanaro was VERY productive at Wake Forest, and with that added to the measurements to back it up, he could be a steal of a pick as a slot receiver later in the draft.

The question you people should be asking, if you're so hell bent on Cooks, is whether or not Cooks is better than Matthews, as they appear to translate to the pros, and my answer is no.

And your reasoning is what? His height?

HemiEd 05-01-2014 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 10597144)
If the Chiefs can plug in 3 solid starter out of this draft-that would be a win!

Better than last year when they were picking 1st overall.


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