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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12662171)

I am usually against it but in this case, it could be well worth the risk.

Having the 5th year option on a guy that's potentially a Franchise QB is worth its weight in gold.

But if Dorsey & Reid pass on him, it's all good. Josh Norris has done a good job illustrating how much development Mahomes needs, so getting him in the first might be a real reach.

Yeah man, Mahomes has alot of rough edges. I dunno, seems a ways off.

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12657869)

I'm not worried about the Air Raid offense for this team. Andy has spread principles all over the place and has basically made the spread offense a huge part of his offense to accommodate Alex.

It's set up for him

Nah, his offense is pretty much one read. That won't work in the NFL.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12658154)

I'd be thrilled to get him in the 2nd round but I wouldn't even blink if they took him in Round 1.

Ideal size, canon for an arm, smart, gutsy player. Yes, he needs at least a full year of development (if not 2) but well worth the risk and waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of Paxton Lynch, IMO.

Draft him in 2017, sit him all year, let him compete in 2018. If all works well, he could take over mid-season 2018 or at the latest, 2019.

If you think he's your guy, take him in the first. If not, don't.

If you think he's your guy do whatever it takes to make him successful over the long term. Rams caught a lot of hell for sitting him, but if he's the guy and he needs to sit, sit him. Fisher was a joke, but he was making the right call if the kid wasn't ready. Now, if the kid sucks, that's bad news, but if he needs to sit, sit him, no matter where he was drafted.

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 12662766)

Nah, his offense is pretty much one read. That won't work in the NFL.

If you think he's your guy, take him in the first. If not, don't.

If you think he's your guy do whatever it takes to make him successful over the long term. Rams caught a lot of hell for sitting him, but if he's the guy and he needs to sit, sit him. Fisher was a joke, but he was making the right call if the kid wasn't ready. Now, if the kid sucks, that's bad news, but if he needs to sit, sit him, no matter where he was drafted.

If he aces his interviews, then I'd take if he's available in the 1st. The kid is a stud

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 12657850)

If we can't get Kizer...I'm on the Mahomes train.

Agree with this.

I think Mahomes has the skills to be a franchise guy.

That being said, the Chiefs will probably draft a gaurd. :(

I've been waiting for Lance Zierlein's nfl.com scouting report for Mahomes a few weeks now and he's finally posted it. I know the Cutler comparison seems off but I think Zierlein is looking at confidence, arm talent and aggressiveness vs some questionable decision making at times and not necessarily saying Cutler is Mahomes' potential bar. FWIW Zierlein has Mahomes ranked 3rd among QB's behind Trubisky and Watson.

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OVERVIEW
If you're a quarterback in Texas running the spread attack that is prevalent throughout the state, playing for Texas Tech is a natural fit. The son of the former major league pitcher of the same name has a big-league arm, and used it quite a bit in high school (4,619 yards, 50 TDs as a senior) and more than anyone else in college football the past two seasons.

Mahomes began his career by starting the Red Raiders' final four games his true freshman year (1,547 yards, 16 TDs, four INTs, 56.8 completion percentage), one of those games being a 598-yard, six-touchdown effort against a top-10 team in Baylor. He earned honorable mention All-Big 12 notice for the second straight year in 2015, starting every game and leading the FBS with 393 yards of total offense per game (4,653 yards, 36 TDs, 15 INTs, 63.5 completion pct). Mahomes was a second-team all-conference pick in his final year with Tech in 2016, leading the FBS with 421 passing yards per game (5,052 total, 41 TDs, 10 INTs, 65.7 completion pct). He's also been a threat with his big-bodied frame and strong legs the past three years, scoring 22 times on the ground.

ANALYSIS

STRENGTHS Possesses NFL body type for work inside and out of the pocket. Has an undeniable swagger and confidence to his game. Accuracy has improved in each season since his freshman year. Naturally accurate in his every day throws. Comfortable challenging defenders in space. Has arm strength and fearlessness to attack the cover-2 voids down the sideline. Can make deep, field side throws. Cranks up velocity to fit passes into tight windows.

Former pitcher who propels hips through his release with aggressive torque and never gets cheated on his follow-through. Can deliver strikes from a variety of arm angles. Expedites release on RPOs (run-pass option) or when pressure is mounting in pocket. Puts effort into play-action fakes. Relaxed and effective when throwing on the move. Can be a legitimate dual-threat in a boot-action offense.

Improved his eye manipulation over the years and will eyeball linebackers to hold them while patterns unfold around them. Has pocket mobility to escape pressure and the poise to extend plays and find alternate targets. Hands are very strong. Can pump and reset without issues. Competes as a runner and is willing to go the extra mile for the first down.

WEAKNESSES Can be inconsistent in his approach. Needs to play inside the offense and show more discipline. Too eager to go big game hunting. Ravenous appetite for the explosive play can also bring unwanted trouble. Willingness to default to playground style appears to limit his ability to get into a consistent rhythm. Needs to improve anticipatory reads and learn to take what the defense gives him.

Decision making can go from good to bad in a moment's notice. Operates from a narrow base and allows his upper body and arm to race ahead of his feet. Has a dip and wind-up in his standard release. Explosive delivery and follow-through causes some throws to sail. Needs better touch on intermediate and deep balls.

Carries ball a little low in the pocket. Impatient. Will leave pocket prematurely rather than standing in and winning in rhythm. Better as a scrambler than pure runner. Looked a little less mobile in the open field this season.

SOURCES TELL US "He's got a great arm, big balls and he's mobile. He is going to drive his head coach crazy for the first couple of years and there is no getting around that. If it clicks for him and he's coachable, I think he could become a special quarterback." - NFC executive

NFL COMPARISON Jay Cutler

BOTTOM LINE Mahomes is a big, confident quarterback who brings a variety of physical tools to the party, but he's developed some bad habits and doesn't have a very repeatable process as a passer. Mahomes' ability to improvise and extend plays can lead to big plays for his offense, but he will have to prove he can operate with better anticipation and be willing to take what the defense gives him in order to win from the pocket. Mahomes will be a work in progress, but he's a high ceiling, low floor prospect.

-Lance Zierlein

LINK - http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profil...mes?id=2558125

^ sounds like a slower Colin Kaepernick.

sounds like Bret Favre.

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 12740237)

^ sounds like a slower Colin Kaepernick.

The only comparison to kap that I care about is that he sends alex packing.

Even if he is Kap ( I dont' think he is, I don't really care for that comparison, but w/e), the Chiefs have a great coaching staff to coach up young players.

I think Kap would have been much better had the 9er FO not been horrible and kept Harbs around.

If they like him they need to take him in 1st round and not dick around. If he is considered a 2nd rounder then taking him at 27 is not a stretch if he may not be there at 54.

With the 5th year option, it's imperative to get a good player in the first. A QB turning into a franchise guy taken there would be nice.

Nobody ever seems to put blame on the teams when qbs fail. Those qbs that failed in Cleveland had no chance to succeed. And the fact that they don't achieve when they leave is arrested development more so than lack of talent. KC is the best situation for a rookie qb since pitt took ben. The chiefs have enough leadership and talent to have a young qb develop.

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Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh (Post 12740741)

Yes.

I brought it up in another thread recently. The young Qb's to end up being successful are on good teams with good leadership.

Amazing how these things work out.

There is a lot to like about the guy but his lack of proper mechanics and horrible foot work is a lot to overcome.