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Steve Spagnuolo: The Man with Four Aces Up His Sleeve (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=320880)

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 14070869)

I always apply this test: How would you feel if the Raiders or Broncos hired Steve Spanuolo as their DC?

I'd laugh forever if Oakland hired him and would be uncertain if it were the Broncos.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 14070869)

I always apply this test: How would you feel if the Raiders or Broncos hired Steve Spanuolo as their DC?

I would ROFL as the Chiefs offense would rape...

He was installing a new year 1 defense. A lot of players have a hard time adjusting to change as it is. Especially a popular one like Gregg Williams with a very obvious style.

Now imagine doing that with your very popular head coach suspended and the GM too. Your entire OTAs are run by a 3rd-string HC (Aaron Kromer) who coaches for 6 games. You're a DC trying to prove yourself after a failed HC run... halfway through the year, the LBs coach also trying to prove himself in a interim HC role jumps in and knows he's going to be associated with failure if he doesn't fix the defense.

I'd say he gets a pass for that season.

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 14070857)

Contrast with this from the Saints:

But one unnamed player is laying plenty of blame at the feet of defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, who watched his unit surrender 7,042 yards (breaking the 1981 Baltimore Colts' record for season-long ineptitude by 249 yards).

According to the anonymous defender, Spagnuolo's personality was as problematic as his work on the whiteboard.

"He does have that good-guy persona, but he is a control freak and treats people like crap," is how the player described his boss to The (New Orleans) Times-Picayune's Larry Holder. "No patience and zero personality. Has a way of pissing players and our defensive coaches off with how he says and does things. (I) think it's even harder after having (former defensive coordinator) Gregg (Williams), who guys enjoyed."

The unit appears to have a solid pedigree with former Pro Bowlers Roman Harper, Will Smith and Jonathan Vilma and rising talents such as Curtis Lofton (who supports Spagnuolo), Cam Jordan and Malcolm Jenkins.

"It was his first year putting it in, and everything we went through, yeah, I'm a firm believer in the system," Lofton said. "I think it's a complicated system, but at the same time it has an answer for everything an offense does. We will be successful in the future. ... Yes, there is some thinking that goes into it before the play and during the play, but once you've got a grasp to it, I really think this is a great system."

Lofton's disgruntled compatriot clearly disagrees.

"To give up what we gave up can't be all talent. Look at where his units (have) been ranked before. I think one top 10?" said the player, who offered that Spagnuolo should be fired.

"Players have no say in anything," he added. "It was (a) complete opposite from before where it was a simple D that players had lot of control and say. We couldn't suggest (expletive). ... Nothing ever changed. It was his way only.

"Don't even get me started on lack (of) ability to adjust during games. Bad, bad, bad."

Spagnuolo has been on a bad run since famously devising the defensive game plan the 2007 New York Giants cited as instrumental in their upset of the previously unbeaten New England Patriots in Super Bowl XLII.

But Spagnuolo hasn't experienced a playoff victory since and joined the Saints in 2012 after presiding over a three-year head-coaching tenure in St. Louis when the Rams went 10-38. After his departure from the Rams, he also was accused of heavy-handedness.

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 14070846)

The problem is you just summarized the past 10 years of Spags' career as an NFL DC.

Other than in 2016 when he was the DC of the $200 million free agent spending spree built Giants defense, he hasn't done jack shit in 10 years.

Indian Chief pretty much summed it up. For now, they're excuses for failure in what might be a bad hire. But those are some really shitty situations so they may very well be legit reasons, not excuses, for failure.

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14070900)

Well he has on Chiefs Red now, so his past is mute, cause you know Chief Fan.

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 14070907)

Well he has on Chiefs Red now, so his past is mute, cause you know Chief Fan.

There are enough people frustrated by the Bob era that they'll be jumping down his throat if he isn't top 10. So I think he will be held plenty accountable. Which is fair.

Nobody is saying the past doesn't matter. A lot of people, myself included, are lukewarm about this move. But if the past is going to be presented, it needs to be presented correctly with the right context. He was a shitty head coach. As a coordinator, half of his bad years involved really really shitty situations that had nothing to do with him. You can't talk about 2012 and 2017 shortcomings and ignore huge events like bountygate and the mcadoo drama.

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14070873)

I wouldn’t be sure because he’s had such a wide variety of results. Same as I feel right now.

Has he tho

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14070962)

There are enough people frustrated by the Bob era that they'll be jumping down his throat if he isn't top 10. So I think he will be held plenty accountable. Which is fair.

Held accountable by who? Andy? It will take 3 sub performing years for Andy to fire his Eagle buddy.

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Originally Posted by fan4ever (Post 14071009)

Held accountable by who? Andy? It will take 3 sub performing years for Andy to fire his Eagle buddy.

The fans. I'm just responding to the idea that fans have homer glasses on about this guy.

Well, not that I want a revolving door of DCs but surely it's easier to fire a guy if he is terrible after 1-2 seasons than the Bob situation where by he started out with a couple of pretty strong seasons (if only due to talent) and then went down hill and you're always thinking "maybe he can turn this around".

Should have known Reid is too much of a coward to do what's best for the Chiefs/players, but instead chooses a safe yes man who he's worked with before. A safe but stupid move.

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14070962)

NONE OF THIS MATTERS IF WE DON'T UPGRADE THE DEFENSIVE TALENT.

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Originally Posted by Haglund's_Spirit (Post 14071273)

NONE OF THIS MATTERS IF WE DON'T UPGRADE THE DEFENSIVE TALENT.

I know, right? If only there was a draft, and maybe a period where you could sign free agents and maybe cut some of your own dead weight...but I guess we're just ****ed.

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14070873)

I wouldn’t be sure because he’s had such a wide variety of results. Same as I feel right now.

Indeed. This sort of logic would lead to hiring people you think may be bad to play against if the Raiders or Denver were to have him....simple but probably not the best metric to narrow the field...

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14070788)

And 3 top 10 defenses in his entire career

The Chiefs don't need a top 10 defense. If the offense stays as dangerous, and there is no reason it won't, the Chiefs only need a 15-25 ranked defense to kick the shit out of people.