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ntexascardfan 02-04-2019 03:18 PM

If we're going to fix the secondary lets really fix the secondary.

Packing our two firsts could get us borderline top ten according to the NFL draft value chart.

Trade those up to a Green Bay or a Cinci type team and get Greedy. (who ranges anywhere from top 5 to 18-19 in drafts I've seen, I'm simply averaging out his mock values)

Take the money you want to give Darby and go get Landon Collins

Fuller/Greedy
Berry/Collins

I feel like that's a secondary we could all live with.

ntexascardfan 02-04-2019 04:00 PM

I'd also be interested in the odd draft of tag + trade Ford, move Houston to the LEO and sign Anthony Barr.

bowener 02-04-2019 04:16 PM

I quickly threw together a spreadsheet that lets you plug salaries into the Chiefs depth chart to show you the cap total, and positional percentage of cap. I used the players from the depth chart in the OP. It would let you guys mess around offline if that is an issue for some.

However, the xls file is too large to upload... so that blows.

DJ's left nut 02-04-2019 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ntexascardfan (Post 14090555)
If we're going to fix the secondary lets really fix the secondary.

Packing our two firsts could get us borderline top ten according to the NFL draft value chart.

Trade those up to a Green Bay or a Cinci type team and get Greedy. (who ranges anywhere from top 5 to 18-19 in drafts I've seen, I'm simply averaging out his mock values)

Take the money you want to give Darby and go get Landon Collins

Fuller/Greedy
Berry/Collins

I feel like that's a secondary we could all live with.

I don't think Greedy's even that good, man. There's no damn way I'd crater the top of the draft to get him instead of Baker. I think as more and more teams start to dig into him, he's going to slide and may not even be the #1 corner when all is said and done.

He just looks a little oversized and stiff to be a true shutdown CB these days. I know that's counter-intuitive and maybe the combine will make me look stupid, but he just doesn't look as fluid as I thought he would. It's probably just that he's so damn long that he looks more awkward than he is.

I'm just not going to give up that kind of capital to get him (I dunno where you got the 'two firsts' but I presume we're using our original 1st and both our 2nds to move up into the top 10 in your scenario).

O.city 02-04-2019 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14090700)
I don't think Greedy's even that good, man. There's no damn way I'd crater the top of the draft to get him instead of Baker. I think as more and more teams start to dig into him, he's going to slide and may not even be the #1 corner when all is said and done.

He just looks a little oversized and stiff to be a true shutdown CB these days. I know that's counter-intuitive and maybe the combine will make me look stupid, but he just doesn't look as fluid as I thought he would. It's probably just that he's so damn long that he looks more awkward than he is.

I'm just not going to give up that kind of capital to get him (I dunno where you got the 'two firsts' but I presume we're using our original 1st and both our 2nds to move up into the top 10 in your scenario).

If you're gonna trade that much, just go get Ramsey who you know is a legit #1.

ntexascardfan 02-04-2019 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14090706)
If you're gonna trade that much, just go get Ramsey who you know is a legit #1.

We traded away an attitude problem in Peterson and you want to bring in a toxic player in Ramsey?

DJ's left nut 02-04-2019 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ntexascardfan (Post 14090793)
We traded away an attitude problem in Peterson and you want to bring in a toxic player in Ramsey?

Just out of curiosity - how much digging have you done on Williams?

You don't have to go too far to find people asking about his love of football, his motor, his compete level.

Now I'm not saying it's fair to discount him because of those reports - they happen all the time. But if you're going to refer to Marcus Peters as an attitude problem, well Greedy has a few of those same red flags on his resume. The words 'business decisions' pop up a little more often than you'd like to see.

ntexascardfan 02-04-2019 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14090800)
Just out of curiosity - how much digging have you done on Williams?

You don't have to go too far to find people asking about his love of football, his motor, his compete level.

Now I'm not saying it's fair to discount him because of those reports - they happen all the time. But if you're going to refer to Marcus Peters as an attitude problem, well Greedy has a few of those same red flags on his resume. The words 'business decisions' pop up a little more often than you'd like to see.

There's a difference between that and being absolutely toxic in a locker room.

There are plenty of players in the NFL who play as a business decision and are still good players and great team mates.

Give me those guys all day over the antics Ramsey pulled with the Jags this season.

Ramsey also went from the second rated corner to last year being the thirty fourth ranked. He seems to have issues with want to at times as well.

Chief Northman 02-04-2019 06:34 PM

I think secondary will be targeted early in the draft regardless - the FA crop is limited and artificial salary bumps will occur because of it. I like the investment in LB/Safety early, but still don’t see the Chiefs getting a trade offer of value for Ford, especially not a first.

The Chiefs did nothing to boost the #2 TE position last offseason, so I’d be shocked if there was a significant investment this offseason. The FA options are garbage. The draft could be where it is addressed but likely on Day 3. I like Oliver but he’s likely nabbed by the middle of Round 2. Julian Love is a solid slot corner, but the roster needs outside corners. I like the Jennings and Orr picks and they realistically slot to where you have them.

kccrow 02-04-2019 11:51 PM

I actually very much disagree about Love being a slot corner. He's matched up against a lot of top-notch wide receivers and shut them down.

The CB market in FA is alot of shit with few decent one-year rentals outside of Darby. If he's healthy, he's getting a big deal. Other than him, there's only really 2 CBs I'd consider signing and those are Darqueze Dennard and Bashaud Breeland (although I think he signs whatever GB offers him). With Dennard, it'd have to be a smaller deal, maybe 3 for 24 as a max and that's pushing it as I see him as a better player from the slot.

O.city 02-05-2019 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 14091266)
I actually very much disagree about Love being a slot corner. He's matched up against a lot of top-notch wide receivers and shut them down.

The CB market in FA is alot of shit with few decent one-year rentals outside of Darby. If he's healthy, he's getting a big deal. Other than him, there's only really 2 CBs I'd consider signing and those are Darqueze Dennard and Bashaud Breeland (although I think he signs whatever GB offers him). With Dennard, it'd have to be a smaller deal, maybe 3 for 24 as a max and that's pushing it as I see him as a better player from the slot.

I’d do all the above. Sign a mid tier vet, draft a couple etc.

kccrow 02-10-2019 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Chargem (Post 14089740)
I really like this one. I think it's pretty realistic in the sense that the Chiefs keep Berry and Houston and also shows that they can get a lot done on both sides of the ball, I really like adding RB/TE in free agency and the drafting for defense. You add at all levels of the defense too which I think was definitely needed.

Once you've signed a free agent TE, I'd maybe consider WR instead in the third if a guy I liked dropped there.

A note on the cap though, OTC states that the cap is $28m for the Chiefs but it looks like they have already factored in various escalators etc that I'm not sure if you factored in after the starting figure of $42.9m you quote. Where did this figure come from?

So, I think I figured out where some the money went to.

First off, there are 4 players that OTC has upgraded the salary on from their base to $2.0m due to PPE. Those players are Kendall Fuller, Eric Murray, Tyreek Hill, and Demarcus Robinson. The net increase of these salaries is $5,061,500.

There are also what looks to be about 13 reserves/futures contracts added with 10 of them counting against the cap which increases the net about $4,995,000.

Between these two items, that affects the Chiefs cap $10,016,500.

The Reiter and Williams contracts Add a $3,160,416 to bring the total to $13,176,916.

Still puts me off roughly $3.3 million that I can't really account for unless there are more reserve contracts I'm not seeing. Otherwise, there could be a player or two that got bonuses and converted future unlikely to be earned to likely. No idea really. It's not the draft allowance that's in there. I'll just go forward with the new number and not account for these things now.

BryanBusby 02-11-2019 10:53 PM

I think the penn st corner is the best fit now that we the DC is Spags. If he runs well, I wouldn't object to using the 1 on him.

TambaBerry 02-11-2019 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 14102588)
I think the penn st corner is the best fit now that we the DC is Spags. If he runs well, I wouldn't object to using the 1 on him.

I like him the best out of the guys we have a realistic shot at

Chris Meck 02-15-2019 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TambaBerry (Post 14102628)
I like him the best out of the guys we have a realistic shot at


I like him too. and Murphy, and Baker. Should have at least one shot at all three, really. Maybe 2.


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