Was Kendall Fuller the corner we had who looked much better at safety when Thornhill got hurt?

He did move to it and had a pick in the Super Bowl. Kind of a hybrid slot and safety IIRC.

They're likely going to lose both Cook and Watson, the Williams pick protects that Fulton has a tendency to miss a couple games every year and Watson just missed games last year.

I think it shows how much they do not want to end up in a spot where McDuffie has to play outside and they're stuck with Nazeeh and Josh Williams again.

Love the draft.

Main reason is that I think the Simmons doomers are overplaying the risk.

The Chiefs looked at his leg and felt good about it. I said if they cleared him I would be excited as the player has Pro Bowl left tackle potential.

Other than the Lott pick every other player seemed like good value and fit a need after.

Liked Royals but didn't love him. Either way I think we broke the streak with Royals of not drafting a playable WR after the 2nd round.

Fuller looked great as a NCB in Washington, looked...fine...as a boundary corner here. Then he had a nice playoff run as a sort of single high specialist after Thornhill went down.

We kinda tried to make him a CB1 and it was just asking a little too much of him, though he was certainly credible in that role.

Pretty close to Duncan here at B+, except I was higher on Gillotte than Williams.

I had us at a B- at the end of day 2. I was frustrated but wanted to wait until the end of the draft. Glad I was patient bc Day 3 was what really made this draft for me. I love the Royals and Smith picks so much. We helped our QB and got so much value.

This has been the response by 99% of this board despite the fact that the entire population of players with this injury was compiled to show the risk. I shared it with everyone, and yet the general response remains the same. It's not people overplaying the risk, it is the risk. It's not a representative sample of some segment of players with this injury, it is the entire population. It's like, you can't really refute it. It is it.

The reality of the situation is that we have no idea if this pick is going to work out, and the Chiefs cannot say with any certainty that it will. In Burkholder's opinion, the injury looks as good as it could. That doesn't change 25 years of proof that even the best cases seldom result in a player returning to form. It's okay to be optimistic, but it's another thing to turn a blind eye to reality. Could he return 100% to pre-injury form? Yes. Could it turn out to be a good pick? Yes. We have to hope an incredibly rare thing happens.

You can be optimistic and look at about 60% of all players return to football, but then, when you look at returning to play as many games as they did pre-injury, that number drops to 29%. You look at returning to some metric of prior performance, that number drops to 24%. That's all players, and not all players have to generate power like offensive linemen. Those stats are much more grim. You start looking at 35% return to play and 6% return to play as many games, and return to prior performance. That means the risk is incredibly high. It's not zero, but if you're looking at 30/70 as your most likely best-case odds and 6/94 as reality, it's also a long way from 50/50, much less 80/20 or 90/10 like the populace here seems to think it is.

The stats are there to formulate an educated opinion. It's the reason Burkholder wasn't too keen on it at the onset. Burkholder might feel like Simmons can beat the odds. And hey, we have to hope he does, but I'd say don't tell people that they are overplaying the risk. If anything, most are downplaying the risk.

I spend way too much time thinking about football during the fall as is, so I don't do even the shallowest of dives into the draft. I do enjoy reading y'all's stuff though so, thanks. I think this is an A draft, personally.

im sure J. Paul Schroeppel, MD, the main ortho surgeon that is on the sidelines and the field EVERY Chiefs game signed off on the surgery being ok...the rehab is a different story Im afraid...thats where Burkholder comes in

Problem is you are adding in everyone with similar injury.

In this case we aren't getting a random player with the injury but with someone we got to peek into the box with.

I am not saying there is no risk but that the 75% are never the same is Doomer projections.

I don't think the Chiefs draft him if they thought his chance was less than 50% there.

How much higher is it?

Unknown.

Keep downvoting my ****ing posts. ****ing christ.

The issue is that...you can't know. Like has been said ad nauseum, with stuff like this it's not about the surgery or how it looks now.

Sure, they can comment on how it looks and if the grafts were good and if the joint looks sound now.

That's great.

The problem with this injury is that ... well, that's not all there is to it. Until you're completely cleared and trying to max out his use of that leg/joint, you don't know if the knee is as good as it was before.

No, dude. We are not adding in "everyone with a similar injury." The orthopaedic research doctors who did the study on this that was accepted through peer review and published to PubMed is what is referenced, and it separates patellar tendon injuries from quad injuries.

It is not Doomer projection to look at the NFL and NBA guys who have had this injury over the past 25 years and say 75 percent were never the same.

It is basic math.

The risks here are about as risky as risks can get. If he comes back and his knee is 100 percent the same and his abilities and level of play is exactly the same, he will be one of 1-3 EXTREME outliers.

all I was saying was that the Chiefs ortho doctors signed off on the surgery looking ok..thats about all they can do at this point.
I agree that the next part doesnt look great at all