Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18057537)

Exactly.

Young needs throwing lanes to even SEE his target. So you're asking him to either blindly trust his guy having body position OR you're asking his guy to not just get open but to get open where there are cracks in the OL so he can SEE that the guy is open.

Or you roll him out to create some of those throwing lanes but now you're cutting off half the field. Maybe that's the idea? If Young is rolling out and only really looking at half the field, maybe a big ol' bully ball WR is worthwhile?

I dunno...I'm just obviously unimpressed by big possession receivers. Have just never had much use for 'em. That might just be a 'me' problem.

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 18057511)

Right, but big dudes aren't conducive to getting open fast in the quick, precision passing game. Hence why Reid doesn't get any of those dudes.

Their skill positions are put together like they have a 6'4 stand in the pocket guy. Young isn't that.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18057536)

Crow,

I think Barron was redundant -- which doesn't matter if he's really good, but I think they had pressing needs they could've addressed there.

I think Harvey was early. By a fair bit. We'll see how it goes but I just don't see anything in there that screams 2nd round RB. He may get some yards by virtue of his OL and opportunity (they obviously needed a RB) but again, that seems like the sort of thing we did with Skyy -- they wanted a RB with that pick, the better ones were gone, so they went with a pure needs pick.

Bryant is just a slug. Won't get open. I thought of him as a 5th round flyer -- if that. In the 3rd round, that's just goofy.

Jones was a nice pick and as you noted, I don't really care much about the rest of them.

I just think there was more damage for them to do than what they actually did. I mean lets say they go with Hampton or Henderson (or Judkins if he's your flavor; isn't really mine) in the 1st and then Trey Amos in the 2nd (or Darien Porter) then Jaylin Noel in the 3rd instead of Pat Bryant. Same positions, better aggregate talent.

I just thought every pick they made, when they made it, was weird.

I didn't think they did nearly as much damage as they could've.

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 18057600)

They have value in that they can create mismatches, but they have to be able to get open other ways too or they are Kelvin Benjamin. If you get Jamaar Chase, ****, he's amazing. But those are hard to find. And let's be real here, Chase is going to be more productive with Burrow than Young. A guy like Chase can be successful in a WCO, but he's far better having space and time to obliterate fools. And Chase is the best there is at his size. I can't imagine fielding a team full of 6'4 NOT Jamaar Chase's and then telling Young to get the ball out quick.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18057561)

Based upon Denver media the Broncos wanted to trade up for Ashton Jeanty but that obviously fell through.

So they took Barron, who is really good, but thought about trading down and take Henderson? They also wanted one of the top TE’s by rd 2 and ended up trading down bc they were gone.

Has Paton ever heard of the concept of trading up? Holy hell. Arroyo went literally 1 pick before you and you couldn’t make a deal? Seemed like he was surprised? Yikes.

I’m just glad they didn’t get Egbuka but that guy would have changed shit for them. Apparently they were fine with the WR’s they had, which is great bc you know who is fine with last years WR’s and Pat Bryant? Literally everybody else.

They had big problems with their weapons. Adding RJ Harvey, Pat Bryant and Evan Engram as your shining new weapons for your young QB is a massive failure.

Their first rd pick felt like they were trying to copy the Eagles and get their own Cooper DeJean

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 18057728)

Flame me on this if I deserve it, but I have zero idea what the Cowboys were thinking taking Tyler Booker at 11. Yes, Zach Martin retired, and I understand needing to fill that particular hole, but man, that team needs a DESPERATE influx of playmakers at every position across the board, offense and defense. They could have taken literally ANY of the selections after them (minus the other two guards) and it would have made more sense to me than taking Booker. They have CeeDee Lamb on offense and Micah Parsons on defense, and.....I couldn't tell you who else. Get players to help free the two superstars up so they can make plays.

And I don't hate Tyler Booker in any way. He may well end up being a first ballot HoF'er when it's all done, but that pick for that team made me say "WTF?" out loud when they made it. Plus, you'd think Brian Schottenheimer would want to lead with a splash pick to garner a little interest in what he's planning, but maybe that's just me.

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18057647)

Chase is only 6'0" 201 and runs a 4.38. That's a WCO WR build ala Jeremy Maclin, not a big Mike Evans/DeAndre Hopkins build.

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18057858)

They have some really phenomenal players on Defense.... Malik Hooker at S, Daron Bland and Trevon Diggs at CB, Mazi Smith at NT, Osa Odighizuwa at 3T. Those are all guys that seem like relative "household names."

Getting Ezeiruaku and Revel in rounds 2 and 3 were absolute f'n steals, so that helps offset taking an OG in round 1.

The didn't do shit to move the needle on offense though, and that's where it seemed like they needed a splash. They love to run the ball and they signed Javonte Williams as their "lead back?" Then they follow that up by drafting Jaydon Blue and Phil Mafah? Hmm. Sure, Blue could end up their next Tony Pollard, if he doesn't fumble his way out of time. That just looks like an atrocious RB room though.

They didn't do shit at WR either, perhaps their single biggest need position on the entire team. They should be thankful for that trade for Pickens because it sure like CeeDee, some hope Tolbert would finally really break out, and nothin.

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 18057728)

Flame me on this if I deserve it, but I have zero idea what the Cowboys were thinking taking Tyler Booker at 11. Yes, Zach Martin retired, and I understand needing to fill that particular hole, but man, that team needs a DESPERATE influx of playmakers at every position across the board, offense and defense. They could have taken literally ANY of the selections after them (minus the other two guards) and it would have made more sense to me than taking Booker. They have CeeDee Lamb on offense and Micah Parsons on defense, and.....I couldn't tell you who else. Get players to help free the two superstars up so they can make plays.

And I don't hate Tyler Booker in any way. He may well end up being a first ballot HoF'er when it's all done, but that pick for that team made me say "WTF?" out loud when they made it. Plus, you'd think Brian Schottenheimer would want to lead with a splash pick to garner a little interest in what he's planning, but maybe that's just me.