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You know what you get with Smith. Mediocre, not good enough to win a SB, QB play. Any of the QBs in this class bring hope that they can be more than that and if they dont who cares? You aren't missing out on anything. You just come back 3-4 years later and take a chance on another college QB. |
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They don't skew them that much.
He was throwing for less than 200 yards a game and less than 20 TDs with and without Jim Harbaugh. |
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I mean, expecting the same results without waiting to see isn't very smart. Or so I've been told. |
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We're hoping for mediocrity from a 29-year-old QB, as if these shouldn't be the prime years of his career. He's not ascending. At best, his talent will plateau until around 33.
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This trade is a win now move. And you are banking on winning with ****ing Alex Smith? 7 - 8 wins is a ****ing failure. |
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I did my best to give cassel a fair chance as well as the rest of the previous administration. Alex Smith IS more physically gifted than Matt Cassel but even under Harbaugh it didn't really translate to significant improvement. You could easily lay the improved production onto the 49ers total talent level and better coaching than the Chiefs had. If Alex Smith doesn't have a clean pocket, he tends to shit the bed. If Alex Smith has too many bad things happen, he gets nervous and shits the bed. If you ask Alex Smith to carry too much of a load, he tends to shit the bed. all of these things are very similar to Matt Cassel and a game-manager level Quarterback. Hey, i could be wrong ... Alex Smith might just need a chance. |
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I mean, I thought 3000 yards and improving by 5 or 6 wins would be categorized as good, solid performance, and a reasonable expectation for the guy, based on his career to date. Expecting more than that would I think fall into the "overinflated expectations" category, to borrow the term from the other thread, and wouldn't I think be fair to the guy. I also thought Fat Elvis' projections were in the same basic neighborhood, albeit a hair more optimistic than mine. (65% completion, 3500 yards, 20 TDs, 7 Ints). He sees more wins (11 versus my 7-8), but that's not as much about Alex Smith on my end as it is about expecting there to be some flux after a complete front office turnover. Philosophically speaking I also wouldn't head into any season expecting 11 wins, much less a year after going 2-14. You're basically asking to be disappointed there. I try to limit my expectations in that sense. I'm struggling to figure out where I was unfair, or why my scenario was "bad". |
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Why will Alex Smith be better in KC than he's ever been in his career? I'm ready for a convincing argument in response to this question.
And I don't want to read, "Because of Andy Reid." |
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I think we have a better chance at 5-11 that the other way around.
I suspect we will be better and I actually think there is a better chance of going 11-5 if Smith does get hurt. Stanzi or Daniels might pull something out of their rectums. We know the verdict on Smith. |
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If we're no no longer allowed to use mediocre, then I hereby nominate "fairish", "humdrum", "middling", "no great shakes", "pedestrian", "second-rate" and "unexceptional" for average mediocre replacement and "crappy", "junky", "ratty", "raunchy", "rinky-dink", "rubbishy", "shoddy", "small-time", "tatty", "tawdry", "trashy" and "two-bit" for inferior mediocre replacement.
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But the truth is that none of us know what will happen. Declaring Alex Smith a failure at this point is ridiculous. |
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Last year, when he was ****ing pwning, he was throwing for less than 175 YPG. By the way, it's 2013. |
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I also think we'll win 7 or 8 games no matter who the QB is. I further think there's a chance we win 10 or 11 games, again regardless of who the QB is. My problem is not with Alex Smith. My problem is with trading multiple second round picks for Alex Smith. I'm sure he'll do fine. But I don't think he'll give us a whole lot we couldn't have gotten elsewhere for less of a price, and I don't think he'll give us a whole lot more over the long haul than we could have gotten out of not just Geno Smith but out of several of the other QBs in this (or basically any other) draft class. That's where my issue lies. I'm sure we can win 6-12 games a year with Alex Smith at quarterback. I'm sure we can compete in playoff games with Alex Smith. I'm also sure we can do all of that with pretty much any quarterback with this coaching staff and this roster. Well, aside from Matt Cassel, who seemed to be on a personal mission to turn the ball over in 2012. If Alex Smith was a free agent, I might not have any issue at all. But we gave up a lot, and I expect the returns to be limited. Not bad. Not failure. Just limited. The trade didn't and doesn't make sense to me. Saying that doesn't mean I think the next four years will be a dumpster fire. |
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Do you really think that any of us would be disappointed if he ended up a whole lot better than we think he can be? I'd love four years from now to be saying "boy, was I wrong about this guy, aren't these back-to-back superbowls awesome!!" I'd much rather win than be right. |
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If a miracle happens, this will be a fun thread to revisit.
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I expect Alex to do average. He might win a playoff game but I doubt it.
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This forum (well no forum) has never really existed in a time where the team was consistently successful. 2002-2003 would be the closest. The rest of the time, this team's been crap. When we were all on the star board in '99 and '00 bitching about Gunther and Grbac, it was crap. When Vermeil came in 2001 it was still crap. In 2002 and 2003 it was great on offense, but complete crap on defense. And was crap thereafter until this day, basically. They haven't won a playoff game since the 1993 season. Think about that. Has there ever been any sizable online environment where the Chiefs were good? That has to color everything in some way or another. Imagine four years from now, in this fantasy world where Alex Smith is Joe Montana reborn, we're winning playoff games and making superbowls. Do you *really* think that wouldn't have an impact on the fanbase? On this forum? That people wouldn't enjoy that more than bitching and moaning? Or even being "right" in this anonymous online world? I think that's probably why there's so much bitching and moaning. Because people want to win so badly. |
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we better not give him 60 mil or I'll put a jihad on him. |
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It is also fair to say this in regards to alex smith. He is a great soldier. He will do what ever is asked of him. If andy asks him to throw 30 times a game, he will. i dont ever think alex is going to turn into aaron rodgers, but hes never going to be matt cassel...... |
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He throws it down the field less than anyone else in the NFL. Out of one reason: fear of being picked. |
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Hes ultra efficient. Why would increasing his throws, decrease his productivity? When he did throw, he was completing 70 %. If they were calling the same kind of pass plays, but more often, why would his production not exceed what he was doing? |
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He was SECOND in the league in yards per attempt..... Something is wrong with your logic. |
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Anything less than 6 wins in 2013 and 11 in 2014 and a playoff win means the trade was a failure: regardless if it's Alex / Chase Daniel (ha) / Alicki Stanzney (lol) under center.
The FO office opted to make a "win-now" move with a middling level game manager. The team's stars aren't getting any younger, and it's clear there's pressure from Clark to put butts in the seats and stop the fan revolt, so they've put Dorsey and Reid into a corner where they should logically blow up much of the roster, build their own team with draft picks and hitch their wagon to a rookie QB. But they're not doing that, so they have to make a run with guys like JC, DJ, and Tamba in the remaining few years of peak performance and get to the Superbowl before 2015. No SB wins by that season, then we're going to be in the exact same situation the team was at on Jan 4 '13 |
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