Fantastic. We've located the problem.

Now: fix that in the 2013 offseason. Go ahead. I'll wait.

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I'm guessing you can't.

So if you can't get one, maybe you should expend the resources necessary to land yourself a solid option or two while you continue building the team.

i shouldn't be amazed that Chiefs fans defend this idiocy...but even after decades of the same sad excuse making, it does surprise me

can you imagine if Carl had done a trade explicitly based on going 8-8?

Yes cause Alex Smith is better then anything the 2013 QB draft class had to offer.

Then we should have gone for a cheaper option.

Alex Smith is better than Carson Palmer, Matt Flynn, and a few others.

There's no way in hell he's good enough for the price that Dorsey paid.

If the 49ers want to be dicks and jack up the price the way they did, Dorsey needed to tell them to go **** off and go with someone else. Especially since it's pretty apparent Alex Smith is not the long-term solution in KC. Matt Flynn serves the exact same goddamn function and could have been had for our 4th rounder.

The Chiefs are like groundhog day, every year I hear "I Got you Babe" playing as the season refreshes anew.

That's a stupid reason.

of course I can, I can draft a QB and keep my picks

or I can sign any FA QB and keep my picks and draft a QB next year (with the 2nd I have to move up)

it's pretty ****ing simple to understand, and embarrassing to watch people defend

oh wait...drafting a QB would have been risky....unlike this..this was SAFE and SMART

Do you have a code word you should let us know in case you stroke out here soon?

Matt Flynn for late-round picks in '14 and '15 with Geno in the second? Or Alex Smith for second rounders this year and next?

Alex Smith by a mile.

yeah, it's true...I still care a bit


my fault

That doesn't ****ing matter. If you're aiming for 8-8, then I'd rather try to get there with literally any rookie QB than a 29 year old QB.

8-8 with a 29 year old QB should be a given. If the conditions were 10-6 or 11-5 I'd have no problem with this, but 8-8? That just shows how much confidence they have in Smith.
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That's counterproductive as all hell.

I can't wait until 2014 when Bridgewater goes in the top 3 picks and everybody else "isn't a sure thing." All the hemming and hawing about "bad luck" and how the Chiefs lose at the wrong time always will be music to my ears.

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As always, time will tell on this trade. For it to be a success, IMHO, the Chiefs can't finish below .500 for the next 5 years and Alex Smith is our QB. If he is a Trent Green QB, this trade is fine.

@ChiefsandO'sfan #GoKillYourself

8-8 . . . . . really?!? ****!

At least it wasn't as bad as the Carson Palmer trade. That's about the ONLY solace I can take from this. ****!

:banghead:

Seriously, Dorsey got bent over by the 9ers on this. Then the Dolphins called his bluff on the Albert trade. Then we traded for a ****ing fullback.

I dont think Dorsey knows Wtf he's doing when it comes to trades. His trades make Piolis trades seem genius.
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Pioli did a terrible thing to this franchise. He turned the fans into a bunch of crack whores who will suck any dick just for a few grams of worthless regular season wins.

And I mean any dick at all. Alex ****ing Smith for crying out loud, people.

Chiefs Fans:

drafting a QB not named Luck is risky

trading multiple draft picks for a backup QB with an 8-8 win threshold is smart


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Fail if not = Super Bowl

LMAO

Could have signed Kevin ****ing Kolb and gotten this team to 8-8 and not have to give up two second round picks. Oh well Alex Smith will end up costing Dorsey and Reid their jobs.

You obviously feel that there is no difference between 2-14 and 8-8, and I can certainly understand that viewpoint. Neither one gets you into the playoffs, certainly not with any hope of a deep playoff run. If the ultimate goal of Reid and Dorsey is to simply go 8-8 every year and put as many butts in the seats as possible, then I'm right there with you.

But I think Reid and Dorsey are looking at this in two phases. The first phase is to simply lift the team up to respectability as quickly as possible. Let's face it: Scott ***** destroyed everything and alienated most of the fans. You may not think it's a significant improvement if this team goes 8-8 next year, but I respectfully disagree. The 2-14 debacle of last year was horrific. 8-8 next season is realistically achievable and would stop the hemorrhaging that turned this team into the laughingstock of the NFL. Obviously I would rather see the Chiefs improve from 2-14 to 14-2 next season, but that's just unrealistic. And based upon the apparent lack of real talent in this rookie class, the Chiefs sure as hell wouldn't go 14-2 next year witih a rookie quarterback as the starter.

The second phase will be to build a team for the future, which will include drafting a QBOTF.

Did they overpay for Alex Smith? Yes, obviously. But it sounds like the 49ers took advantage of a seller's market, and it's not really a reach to assume that the teams that wound up picking up the other retread quarterbacks were bidding against the Chiefs for Alex Smith. It was a really bad time to be in the market for a quarterback. Drue Brees wasn't sitting out there as a free agent. Andrew Luck wasn't sitting there waiting to be drafted. Reid and Dorsey made their decision and went with it.

I'm willing to give Reid and Dorsey the benefit of the doubt for now. I hope that the majority of the decisions they make turn out to be good ones, even if I don't necessarily love this one. Time will tell. It's going to take a hell of lot more time than a couple of months in their first offseason to evaluate whether they're total morons, competent, or total ****ing football geniuses. If they go 8-8 and 10-6 in their first two seasons AND they have a promising young quarterback on their roster, I would call that a damn good start.

I know, everything would be rainbows and unicorns if they had drafted Geno Smith and Smith turned out to be the next Aaron Rodgers. But Reid and Dorsey obviously didn't think that highly of Geno or any other quarterback in this draft. The fact that every other GM in the NFL agreed with them gives credibility to their decision making process.

It's fine to make risky draft choices. But if you draft someone just because you wish and hope they'll be great when every evaluation you do tells you otherwise, that's not a risky draft choice. It's a stupid one.

In other words, cool your jets. There will be plenty of time for wailing and gnashing of teeth if Reid and Dorsy fail. In the meantime, all you're doing is driving up each other's blood pressure and you're not accomplishing anything.

A second rnd pick??

you mean we might have given up JAVIER ARENAS??!?!?!!?!?!?!?!

Ha ha sure, 8 years from now.

we got so screwed.

Is it 8-8 even if Smith is hurt for several of those games? I'm sure he won't play all 16 games. Never does.

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Possibly. But I think it's equally plausible to think that the Chiefs were bidding against themselves.

So if you are Dorsey/Reid what is your plan you present to Clark KNOWING you already have Cassel, NO legit Luck with the 1st pick, YOU are the new regime that has to win now and it's a QB driven league and only one decent FA QB on the market(with many other suitors as well)and your potential new trading partner knows the predicament you are in ?

Clark: "Fellas, I have a pissed off fan base and losing $$ and I need to win now and do not feel comfortable about this upcoming QB draft class using it with our No.1 pick.

TC/KC: "Clark, with all due respect it is Geno or BUST !!!

Clark: "I can't afford another high risk BUST and neither can this fan base. I realize we need a QB and the fan base wants a QB with the first pick of this draft but that is out of the question if there is no sure fire "Luck" in this draft. And I can't afford to tank this season for a better QB class next year. That's just stupid. What other options do we have?

TC/KC: "There are no other options Clark, Geno or BUST !!

Clark: I hired you guys for 'no other options' ?

TC/KC: Unless you want to sacrifice high future draft picks for AS that has only had 1 and 1/2 yrs of prod QBing out of his 7yr career ?

Clark: "Well, I guess this is the price I have to pay for no leverage because I have to win now because no way in hell I go the QB draft class for this year and stuck with the Jags/Jets type problem in 2 years STILL LOSING AND STILL HAVING TO PAY A KINGS RANSOM !!

We got bent over and they didn't even offer up any lube.

Something is missing here. So what if Alex Smith is injured and we go 8-8 with Daniels? Do we still owe a 2nd? Alex Smith staying healthy is a bigger issue I would think when it comes to a conditional pick. So this report seems kind of off.

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Geno is already getting off to a great start !!!:rolleyes:

The Chiefs should enlist the help of GMDM.

No way, all the teams that made a FA move for a QB after we signed AS and the Bills were in the running, I assure you. Everyone wanted AS !!:thumb:

Which GMDM do you want? The one who was universally reviled and ridiculed for the awful trades he made his first few years here, or the one who built the best farm system in baseball and turned the team into one of the better young teams in baseball?

If you guys had been in charge of the Royals, Dayton Moore would have been fired years ago. No, check that. Dayton Moore would have been fired before his team ever played a single game.

LMAO I laugh because I know without a doubt it's coming. I all but guarantee all of the next two to three round one picks will be used to replace Pioli's "value fest".
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If John Dorsey were worth a squirrel fart, he'd be drafting great players with those 2nd rounders just like the Ravens, Packers, Seahawks, 49ers, and every other team with a great GM does.

You've never known a franchise to do anything else but piss away a 2nd round pick on Javier Arenas, so that's what the pick means to you.

In the meantime, we passed up an opportunity to draft some pretty damn good ****ing players with this year's 2nd rounder. I can't wait until next year to find out what kind of stellar athletes won't be on our team all because of Alex ****ing Smith.

No way. If the team goes 8-8, they won't even have a 2nd rounder to help trade up. If they fall short of that, it can't possibly be Andy Reid's master plan to trade a 2nd and a 3rd for 1 year stop gap. If he was looking toward the 2014 QB class, he would have picked up a cheaper stop gap (who probably would have helped out by leading to a worse record and a better draft position).

If a desirable QB falls to the Chiefs in the 1st of the 2014 draft, I can see them taking him, but I don't see them trading up in the 1st.

So now...we're the Raiders? Awesome.
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I haven't said Geno or bust although that is who I would have been happy with. They could have given a FA a chance to redeem himself like a Vince Young and tell Clark Hunt that we are keeping options open at quarterback going into next years draft and we are going to build this team through the draft if it takes a couple years to get the right guy then it takes a couple years to get the right guy.

Heavens if we would draft quarterbacks in back to back years after going 30 years not drafting a quarterback in the first round.

No more than six, tops. I guaran****ingtee it.
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We still don't have a quarterback competition, we are just stuck to watch who they force down our throats.


They do what ever it takes to avoid QB controversy and plug in their guy.

The one that appears to at least get value for what he gives up when he makes big time deals. The Chiefs basically traded Will Myers for Luke Hochevar.

Depends on how injuries play out for us and the teams we are playing. It's a cupcake schedule which is why this was even a dumber decision by Dorsey/Reid. I still think 5 or 6 wins if Alex is who we know him to be.

I'm pretty sure that the 2014 QB draft class isn't as good as the 2013. Logan Thomas was downright horrible this past season and wanted to come out, but was basically forced back into school through his own terrible play. He's a hobo's version of EJ Manuel.

Aaron Murray is as up and down as you can find at the QB spot and has never played up to the competition. Comparable to Ryan Nassib.

Teddy Bridgewater is a nice player, but he's not at the same level as Geno Smith in terms of tools, arm and presence.

Tajh Boyd is decent and has improved, but he's not Russell Wilson by any stretch.

IMO, the best two QB's of this class are Chuckie Keeton of Utah State (absolute winner with a great arm and excellent athleticism - reminds me of a smaller Colin Kaepernick at the same stage) and Marcus Mariota of Oregon. Both are very accurate, athletic with very good arms. Both are winners. Both are coming off superb 2012 seasons and aren't getting any attention from the national press for whatever reason. But both will be juniors and might not even declare. I'd take Keeton in a heartbeat if I were the Chiefs.

This. And can we please, PLEASE put this myth to rest that Alice was a "hot commodity" that teams were just banging the table night and day for, and that the Chiefs "won" in the end? Ridiculous.
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I think that the Jets did just that, but time will tell who got the better end of the deal.

Chiefs get Eric Fisher when they already had Branden Albert, Don Stephenson and Jeff Allen, and a 29 year old, often injured Alex Smith as well as Mike DeVito and Sean Smith. They also lose their 2nd rounder in 2014.

Jets get Geno Smith, Dee Milliner and Sheldon Richardson.

Chiefs, if they don't trade for Alex Smith could have had either Milliner or Richardson versus Sean Smith and Mike DeVito and Geno Smith.

It will be interesting to see how both teams progress with those players.

My final record is 5-11, but I'm factoring in a possibility of at least two more wins due to the upgrade at O line, AND the possibility that Smith can actually complete his checkdowns.
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So where were you when Dayton Moore made disastrous trades for guys like Brandon Duckworth, Ryan Sheely, Kyle Davies, Yuniesky Betancourt and Mike Jacobs? How about when he signed free agent failures like Kyle Farnsworth, Jose Guillen, Rick Ankiel, and Yuniesky Betancourt (again)?

Apparently you're just fine with Dayton Moore NOW, even though he made some decisions early-on that were head-scratchers, yet you can't stop pissing and moaning about Reid and Dorsey, even though the Chiefs team they are putting together hasn't taken a single snap on the field.

I keep trying to get over it and just move on but this was just a terrible,terrible trade.

we got ripped off

Even if Alex Smith ends up being better than i expect, we got totally hosed.

None of those guys are going to win you a Super Bowl in the next couple of seasons...

Take the best option to mentor a developmental QB, ie. Tyler Bray.

Let Tyler learn the playbook and mature for a season or two under Smith like Kaep did.

Those were moves in which he had nothing to trade. When having something like Grienke or Myers so far the dividends have been good. The early moves were basically trading shit for shit. Which would be more along the lines of trading a 5th round pick for Smith, because than you are trading shit for shit. I consider having 2 2nd round picks to part with having something of significance to give up. With 2 2nd round picks you better get something better in return than Alex ****ing Smiff!

No, because you don't know one way or the other.

And we won't draft a QB next year.....so it doesn't matter.

The point is that you're just fine with Dayton Moore NOW. You would have fired him before his team played a single game if you acted then the way you are acting now.

"Sweet Daddy, why dont you add more to the conversation and post legitimate football related takes"? Why indeed?
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No, I wouldn't have. You're comparing apples and oranges. An NFL franchise can be turned around 1 one year. You're making more out of my statement than was intended. Basically it's just a shot that the Chiefs are making more idiotic moves. Same shit different guys.

The part that's missing is the Chiefs' competency.

**** that Vince Young shit. We could have signed Jason Campbell as a unrestricted free agent really cheap and still got a guy with a better arm and upside than Alex Smith.

Hell, I'll be surprised if Jason Campbell isn't the Browns starting QB this season over Weeden, and the Browns only paid him 3.75 million over two years. That's ****ing cheaper than what we paid for that fat midget to back up Alex Smith.

Seriously? Leo Nunez (AKA Juan Carlos Oviedo) immediately became the closer for the Marlins. His save totals for the first 3 years with the team were 26, 30, and 36. That doesn't sound like shit to me. However, Mike Jacobs, the guy the Royals got for Nunez, WAS shit.

Face it: You are holding Reid and Dorsey to a different standard than GMDM. You shouldn't have brought up GMDM.

Jason Campbell is the guy I hoped the Chiefs would pick up as their stopgap.

You're assuming that Tyler Bray has the capacity to actually sit down in front of a book and look at words, structure them into sentences and then comprehend their meaning.

That's a pretty big assumption my friend.

Dissapoint

Here's to a 6-10 season!

Dissapointing...I thought the second rounder barrier would of been higher. Essentially theyre saying if we go .500 that's good enough.

Yes, I know.

The guy had the best arm in the draft and we got him for pennies. It will become fairly evident within the season, I guess, whether or not he possesses the aptitude to learn an NFL playbook.

If he is as dumb as he comes off....bring in another QB next year. I hate the Alex Smith trade. But with the options out there, I would rather have him come in and mentor a developmental guy than any other option out there.

Man this is gonna really bring us down after we win the Superbowl this year!

Yes. Because a ****ing relief pitcher in baseball is the same as an NFL Qb. So you're right. I do hold the Chiefs to a higher standard in obtaining a QB than I am in the Royals trading a relief pitcher who most felt his body would fall apart over time.

I'm not going to make this a Chiefs/Royals pissing match because only a moran can't see the differences between a cash strapped MLB franchise and and the Chiefs. Reid/Dorsey go ass raped in this trade and only the biggest of homers would feel differently.

They should really consider bringing in someone that is able to evaluate player and draft pick trade values. While Reid has a nice history as a coach and Dorsey as college talent evaluator they could use some help in valuing picks and NFL player value.

I think some of you are looking at this wrong...

The 9ers aren't saying we only believe Alex will get the Chiefs to 8-8 and then we want a 2nd. They're saying the Chiefs were a VERY bad team last season and no matter what they do, with Alex on the team, the Chiefs will at least go 8-8 and that is worth a 2nd.

wow, the poop smells differently if you hold your nose

what is the value of 8-8 to us, again?

besides insuring we won't be in position to draft a risk-free QB?

**True Fan gif**

The Niners would have made that 4-12 if the Chiefs would have taken it dumbass.

The difference between wanting to have a paper bag over your head when you go to a game and knowing that your team is at least average?

You're locked on the 8-8 number. Just because the manufacturer of your car warrenties the car for 100k doesn't mean you won't get twice that.

In this case, if you don't you don't pay the 2nd.

so we paid a 2nd for the value of "knowing your team is at least average"



sounds about right

If we're sitting at 7-8 with one game to go I'd sure be playing our 3rd string the last game thats for sure.

I didn't know you could read Reid and Dorsey's minds. Wow....I guess we'll have to come to you moving forward for insight.