Herm-please fix the Defense!!!! I don't want the rest of the Jets staff. HHH-sorry bad luck.

No, actually the the majority was fairly positive when Dick was hired.

Only a small minority thought it was a mistake, including myself.

But KCJohhny was so adamantly opposed to the idea that he melted down before our very eyes.

His meltdown just made it appear that Dick's hire was viewed negatively to you.

Henderson would be a good defensive coordinator.

Dungy hasn't won a SB yet.
Neither has Cowher.

Personally success is not enough, hell technically Marty brought success, perhaps you meant a Super Bowl when you said success. I have learned to be specific around here.

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OH, HELL NO!

Uh, yes he would.

He's a very good d-coordinator.

I don't know much about his scheme, I just know he's a really intense hard-ass dude. Maybe harder than Gun. Gun's like, "You guys SUCK." Henerson's like, "I'm gonna KILL y'all."

The whole Marty tree is poisoned at the roots.

Dave

You are correct on all accounts, but you forgot one thing. You'll sound like whiny bitches in the meantime...
:)

Great response. Herm is more of a leader and motivator than any other available coach at this time. This was a good move by the pitbull.

Has anyone heard any reactions from the Chiefs players about the move? I am interested to hear what they think.

Eat shit and die.

In time, you will call *me* master.

I seriously doubt it. BTW who would you have coach the Chiefs?

Kirk Ferentz, Bob Stoops, Ron Rivera, take your pick.

Fassel has a better resume than Mr. 4-12 and we wouldn't have to give up a friggin draft pick for him. I like Stoops better, Ferentz too.

Hiring a college coach with the current team we have=bad idea.

The current team we have is gonna be around for what, 1 or 2 more years? I'm tired of that "We have a veteran team so we need a veteran coach" bullshit.

Ferentz would be perfect. We have a veteran team now but in a year or two we're gonna have a really young team when all the old guys retire.

Officially count me on the GERM WARFARE bandwagon. We're hiring a ****ing clone of Dick Vermiel, except he isn't even as good.. how is this a positive move?

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Yeah, but that's kinda the point. Herm took a veteran team in NY and ended up getting rid of most of Parcells castoffs and drafted replacements, and won with both groups... like Vilma and Dewayne Robertson, both starting safeties, etc...

Count me in too.

If we win the SB with him, I'll GLADLY eat crow.

2 of your choices could be busts when moving to the NFL (see Spurrier who looked a heck of a lot better going into his first NFL job than Stoops or Ferentz) and Rivera hasnt head coached in the NFL (see Gunther) Edwards at least has a nice track record with inferior talent and a nice association with the current leadership.

STEP LIVELY THERE!

That is exactly my view on this aswell. Some people are just mad they didn't get their guy so they need something to bitch about.

Mind if I use the avatar as well?

ROFL

So now every college coach who moves to the NFL is a bust? And every coach who has never been a head coach is a bust?

I adore your reasoning.

Check your PM's, recruit.

I ain't mad about not getting man "x". I am pizzed at Peterson for giving up a 4th round pick that we desperately need for a coach that doesn't have as good a resume as others that are available who we could get for NO draft compensation.

All you GERM WELFARE DOUCHES can kick rocks.

STAND DOWN, CIVILIAN!!

Bite me buttmunch!

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Edwards is a better coach than Jim Fassell........How often do we find impact players in the 4th round? Playing the law of averages it's not a bad move. It's a 2nd day pick for a head coach, hell Tampa gave up 2 first rounders.

NEGATIVE IMPACT, I REPEAT, NEGATIVE IMPACT!!! I WILL COMBAT YOU!!!

Thats not my reasoning at all. I'm just saying a proven NFL Head coach with playoff experience who knows what to expect in the big leagues is better than a guy who hasnt been there and whos style may not transfer to the NFL. I'd rather not take a crap shoot with a team that is still pretty darn close. :)

I helped you fix your post.

No thank you's will be needed.

Vilma is a great player, Robertson has decent but he was a top 5 pick so if you miss on that you really f'd up.

The only other really good pick Herm has had was Santana Moss and he never knew how to use him. Moss leaves and is now a pro bowler, some great coach eh? :banghead:

If Herm really rebuild the team then why were they one of the worst teams in the NFL? The fact is after Parcells "Castoffs" left, Herm has been shit. They got lucky last year because Martin was out of his mind.

Germ Edwards: 4-12

Nick Saban: 9-7

Nice reasoning!

Did you even watch them? They had to play FIVE quarterbacks. If the Chiefs put James Kilian out there at QB, you think we'd even win 4 games?

Wow, that AFC West crown sure will look good on you guy's next season if it's a done deal.
Wouldn't surprise me to see the Chiefs take the AFC next season.
DV seems to have gotten the team to a serious playing level. And with Edwards at the helm, it should be exciting to say the least.
Props!. You guy's are getting a great replacement for a hard set of shoes to fill. IMO

Hey AL, yo!.
Over this way,
Turn your fuggen head east
THIS IS HOW it's suposed to be done. :banghead:

Isn't it the coaches job to realize that he needs a competent backup QB? In today's NFL you can't go into the season without a backup who you feel is capable of winning games if your starter goes down. So if Hermiel wants to blame someone for having scrubs like Bollinger and Testaverde at QB, he needs to look in the mirror. ESPECIALLY considering Pennington's injury history.

It's pretty difficult to use a downfield reciever like Moss when you have Chad Pennington at QB. If you start going downfield with Chad you're asking for a 30 INT season. It's something he just can't do well, he and Moss didn't fit well together.

I like how you guys just ignore that Herm had half his team go on IR. I bet the Chiefs would have won a whole lot of games this year with Damon Huard and Dee Brown starting most of the year. That's the equivalent to what happened to the Jets.

Here's what I like about this: Peterson's MO has been to do what it takes (trade draft choices if need be) to get someone reasonably proven as HC. This instead of what we used to do, taking some quality assistant and give them a chance to be HC. That is a risky recipe. Herm has already established for himself some respectable credentials. If he shows himself now to be a top shelf HC, we're going to look back on this transaction as an absolute steal! Hey we could have been looking at some assistants or retreads, we didn't have a choice with DV retiring. My only concern is that we can keep some of the effective continuity of Trent Green in place through the remainder of his productive playing days, and any of the other old timers who stick around. That would have been why I could have liked Saunders. It would be great if guys like Roaf and Shields have enough confidence in Herm to stick around another year to see what he can do (we really aren't that far from getting into the playoffs, are we?).

If Herm can keep the continuity, continue the transition into the Larry Johnson days, bring a missing successful element to the D here quickly --he has a reputation for getting players to overachieve --we could win one for Lamar. Considering the circumstances, this is about as good a plan as we can get right now. With all respect, I think DV lost a bit of his step.. this is a great way to go. And don't forget, maybe Herm can be key to LJ's further development/maturity. With Vermeil gone, all the "take off the diaper" jazz should be gone too.

Win one for Lamar!

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And that's why Moss had 1,100 yards and 10 TDs in 12 games after he finally got into the starting lineup.

Testaverde played the majority of 2003........

Fassell coached a team to the SB and was unfortunate that he ran into the Baltimore Ravens buzzsaw defense that year. What has Herm done the last 5 yrs? Not bashing the guy, just making a comparison.

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They got Guru-den. We got a coach coming off a 4-11 season with close ties to CP....too close for comfort.


Don't get me wrong, I am willing to give HE the benefit of the doubt. I just think CP knew all along who he was going to get and didn't bother to examine other (possibly more viable options) before pulling the trigger and giving up the bootay on the draft pick issue.

I was wondering if anyone other than me was thinking this exact same thing. :hmmm:

Wrong again. Chad played in 10 games. Testaverde played in 7.

What's more, Chad and Vinny had almost IDENTICAL stats and Chad actually averaged MORE yards per attempt.

Please, there's still ways to get him the ball. Brunell never exactly had a cannon for an arm, and especially doesn't now with his old age, and yet they still have an explosive offense.

I'm sorry but the injury excuse is BS. Yes Pennington went down and Martin missed some time.. but Pennington is injured every year and Martin is like 33 years old, and the Jets had no capable backups. Who's fault is that?

The fact you need to realize is the Jets got worse and worse under Herm. In his first year they went 10-6, followed by 9-7, then 6-10, then 10-6, then 4-12. Notice a trend here? They only went 10-6 because Curtis Martin went insane in 2004 and had one last great year before breaking down.

This is pointless no matter what I say some of you just won't be happy.

Jim Jones here basically saying Herms a bad coach because he doesn't have 4 Pro Bowl QB's on his roster is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen but that's his perogative.

Jim Fassell isn't more "qualified" because he went to a Superbowl. Barry Switzer won a Superbowl, you wanna hire him?

This arguement has become stupid because some people are taking this to extreme levels to just dislike Edwards. If you don't like the decision fine but the way some of you are acting is just absurd.

I don't disagree with that. But backup does not equal five. They lost Pennington and Fiedler in the same quarter of the same game. I didn't know all NFL teams were supposed to find 5 competent quarterbacks. Nobody even carries more than 3 QB's.

Heck, I didn't realize there were 160 NFL-caliber QB's to begin with. I'd like you to tell me one NFL team that could play 5 QB's and win football games.

I think I'm the only one on here that thinks Herm Edwards is a good coach

Oh please, you guys know exactly what I'm talking about. I never said they needed 5 "pro bowl QB's"..but the fact is Pennington gets hurt every year and the Jets didnt even have ONE competent backup. They had 50 year old Vinny Testaverde!! Real nice job there, Hermiel.

Really?

Who do you think got the Giants to that Super Bowl?

Kerry Collins? ROFL

Fassel > Germ Edwards.

That speaks volumes.

"If Herm really rebuild the team then why were they one of the worst teams in the NFL? The fact is after Parcells "Castoffs" left, Herm has been shit. They got lucky last year because Martin was out of his mind."

Herm never lost his players and they will go through a wall for him.

He's just not smart.

He's WAY too loyal to veterans- ie. Priest vs. LJ... and he's Marty when it comes to offense.

He's a decent coach- not great. I'm fairly skeptical to be honest.

If you'd really take Jim Fassell over Edwards, I see why people pull the football knowledge card on you.

They had Jay Fiedler, and he got hurt right after Pennington did. They had Bollinger, signed Testaverde off the street, and then used Kliff Kingsbury for a bit when both of those other guys were hurt.

It makes him a lot more qualified then a guy who's never even been a conference championship.

I wouldn't take either of them.

Nope, I happen to think he'd have worked out well in Oakland, I mean face it. We've been needing a coach every since Chuck left.
Calawhat?
Norv TurnOVER.
Jezz's titt's, the way AD pick's em' I'm half expecting Mariuchi to pop his head back out west.

I can't believe with what's actually out there for HC's that are any good anyone could complain having a good, Not yet "Great", but none the less solid HC replacing a well oiled Machiene that DV built. :cuss:

How many teams in the league can withstand losing their starting QB for the season? Let alone 3, if you think any team could survive that you're dilluted.

Edwards lost his starting QB and RB for starters. Stoops wasnt exactly brilliant last year without his DC either. Saban inherited a team that was realing the year before because of the Williams fiasco.
Look I'm not saying all college coaches are going to suck, but there are many good coaches who just cant cut it in the NFL. Erickson, Spurrier, Mackovick, and a certain USC coach. I'm not gung ho for Herm either , but of the available coaches , I think he was a pretty solid choice.

Apparently you misread this part of my post: Don't get me wrong, I am willing to give HE the benefit of the doubt. I just think CP knew all along who he was going to get and didn't bother to examine other (possibly more viable options) before pulling the trigger and giving up the bootay on the draft pick issue.

C'mon man, you know as well as I do that that is a HORRIBLE comparison. Switzer took over a Cowpiles team that was already built by Jimmie Johnson. Kerry Collins sure as he** didn't coach the Giants to the SB.

Sure. It's Carl's job to find the right one instead of hiring one of his buddies.

Yea man let's hire Bob Stoops who any time he's faced a team with the same talent level he's looked lost and been out coached. Yea man I'm heavily impressed by that.

WHAT?

Did you even watch the OU-Oregon Bowl game?

That is precisely the reason I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Kirk Ferentz would have been a MUCH better hire then Hermeil. heck, I'd even take Stoops. At least he can surprise us and be great, we know what we're getting with Hermeil.. mediocrity.

Because Oregon was sporting as much talent as OKlahoma with their 4th string QB in there...... :rolleyes: Yet Oregon still nearly won the damn game.

I'm sure that also negates the total ass kickings by KSU and USC, not to mention Nick Saban making him look like a moron in that title game.

Ya, Barry didnt inherit a great team or anything... :rolleyes:

Well I don't know alot about college football, but anytime an unranked team beats a 6th-ranked team, that seems pretty damned impressive to me.

If Stoops wasn't one of the better coaches in the country then forget it.

All I know is the ONLY reason Carl hired Germ is because they are buddies. He didn't even shop around.

I was talking about Fassel.

you win some you lose some. Those losses don't negate the countless wins over Texas, the 2001 national championship over FSU, the win over Oregon this year.

Him even getting to those title games with Jason White as his QB proves how good he is.

And i don't know why you're only talking about college coaches, there are plenty of NFL coordinators who would be better then Hermeil too.

Obviously..........

Miami went 9-7 which is pretty damn good for what they have

I admitted it, freely.

There was no reason for you to act like a jackass over it.

Amen.
Dont forger the running back.