Sounds awesome. Notice any side-affects?

Yep. Carlota used to be Carl before the HGH.

Just saying.

But other than that, they worked wonders! LMAO

Not at all...

Wouldnt it be the other way around????:hmmm:

What was the point of jacking yourself full of this shit? None of you are high-level athletes.

Why wouldn't you? If you enjoy looking and feeling good than go for it. Most people that use this "shit" are still likely in much better health than the avg American downing big gulps and eating fast food. Maybe you lose a few of the last shit years of your life in exchange for decades of a higher satisfaction in life.

Only on a boat full of guidos after eating some Rum Ham

Nice meathead logic. As though there are only two possible options.

using some != jacking yourself full

it can be a useful tool if used intelligently and in moderation with supervision from a physician to monitor bloodwork (cholesterol)

it doesn't take much to have a noticable effect

There are more, but in the end who gives a shit what they do. It's not like these guys and girls are meth heads stealing shit out of your garage. I don't see the issue with someone wanting to feel better about themselves. Typically they are the ones that are more productive members of society.

What about us that eat healthy, workout consistently, and don't use the shit?

? good for you?

That's great. Does it bother you that others do? I doubt it bothers them that you dont.

Why work out at all?

So, the only choice is Steroid/HGH user or obesity?

You know, I've been wanting to say this for a long time, but you're just ****ing dumb.

Your football takes are awful and good God, your "life" takes are even worse.

Did I say that?

BTW 19 Reps at 43 is weak sauce even all natural.

But why? Why does anyone that has a wife, kids and a job need to juicing when they're not a professional athlete?

Or a freaking college student for that matter?

LMAO

JFC, you're dumber than I had previously thought.

Keep 'em coming, Dummy.

Why would someone take piano lessons if they aren't going to be a professional musician?

If HGH can slow aging, why not?

Why not? I don't think you actually understand what those drugs do and what the risk are.

Oh, there's no NEED. It's recreational in nature and a way to a goal that they want. Why does a person need any of the other worthless crap they pursue in life? Why does someone need a beer? Why does someone need a motorcycle?

Soo..straying a bit, but what are some great OTC products to help bulk up? There's so much shit out on the market now, a clueless noob like myself doesn't know what's good and what's a waste of money.

Piano makes for a well rounded person, HGH is illegal, as are steroids, and steroids are very dangerous, even when supervised by a doctor.

But please drop me a line when taking or giving piano lessons is illegal.

;)

BTW I thought this was interesting. T levels on avg dropped from 700NG to 400NG since 1940. Could help explain the pussification of American and Dane's vaginaitis.

http://www.usdoctor.com/testone.htm

I think that unless your career absolutely depends on it (cheating, BTW), it's ****ing stupid.

But hey, I'm just a normal guy that doesn't have body issues.

I guess you're against weed, then...and obey the speed limit at all times...

I don't really care about "victimless crimes", and this qualifies in my mind.

You can get steroids OTC. All of the other stuff outside of food/protein is pretty worthless. Creatine and BCAA's may help a little bit, but not a whole lot.

It's useful for no purpose other than as adjunct dick measuring.

Are you against fake tits for women who aren't models and actresses?

If you need to take PEDs to feel better about yourself you have issues that the PEDs won't fix.

So this is just one of those things you're against just because you're against it?

That's great, but I guess I don't understand why anyone gives a shit what someone does with their own body as long as they aren't effecting them. I guess I do understand how bulking bi's and such may make someone feel inferior. This stuff isn't Meth/Coke/PCP. If done properly the side effects are very minimal. Shit like Roid Rage is a ****ing myth. If you are a douche on roids than you were a douche off.

I find guys that are about 150 usually are against it.

If that's the case why do people continue to use the PED's?

Food.

Eat food.

Food is the most anabolic substance there is.

What about actors that need to get buff quick for a role? :D

As are most other things in life - nice cars, fancy clothes, seeing how many beers you can chug, trying to act like you are smart on an internet message board

I'm only 160. It sounds crazy to say because I hear 160 pounds and think of a 14 year old. It's amazing how much weight the average person carries around that is just fat.

HA you got him there :D

You're ****ing stupid.

So people that don't take steroids are now "pussies"?

I feel sorry for you.

Please point me to where I said that.

PEDs do not help people with body image issues any more than puking helps people with body image issues. The need to use artificial supplementation to improve your mass when there are dozens of edible options that can work is simultaneously hubristic and craven.

I think average Joes using HGH and steroids are moronic. Let me clarify: they are a combination of vain, lazy, and moronic.

There is no evidence they reverse aging, Stallone.

I guess you'll never get braces for your kids. What's the point?

Medical Marijuana is legal in Cali. I don't partake but don't care who does.

Awesome. Can't wait until you're the Attorney General or a Supreme Court justice.

That's true. I train with a guy going for his 3rd NPC Mr Missouri title. He won his last one at 175lbs, but he's also only about 5'5.

Drop me a line when elective plastic surgery is illegal.

LMAO I've never seen you create so many straw men.

Because they think that being a cock diesel mother****er that can't turn around to wipe their own ass adds some kind of intrinsic value to their self worth.

That's one big ass fourteen year old.

There are personal trainers and nutritionists for that, although I wouldn't be surprised at all if guys were prescribed HGH.

Have you guys seen Chris Pratt lately? The dude has been a chub, outside of Moneyball, forever. Now, he's ripped for Guardians of the Galaxy. He's lean, with a six pack.

It doesn't add up.

I've never even used a supplement from GNC. That said, there is plenty of evidence that HGH slows the aging process.

Because one has decided periodontal benefits and the other is for failed insurance salesmen who need a reason to feel like a man that their careers and bodies obviously can't fulfill.

Wow, for someone so "witty", you can also be ****ing stupid beyond belief.

Breast enhancement? Braces? Piano lessons?

Weak, weaker, weakest.

Great. Then we'll be subject to your stupid shit for even longer?

Medical marijuana isn't legal anywhere in this country. Plenty of things are illegal. You do some of them every day. That doesn't make them immoral.

I'm on 200mg of prescription test per week. That's a lot for a normal TRT dose(100/week), but the avg BB'ing dose is usually double that. My levels are probably 1200-800 between doses. I feel much better, I look better, feel out the clothes better, am stronger everything in life is better than when I had T levels in the 200's. I get blood work done reguarly to make sure everything is in check with a doctor. Could I survive without it? Probably, but I'm a much better person, husband, and father because of it.

There is none. In fact, there is greater evidence that it increases the growth of tumors than any that establishes its reerunation of the aging process.

I find that most guys do it for themselves and could give a shit what other people think. Some actually don't like the attention it draws.

It's bloody hilarious when people just call eachother dumbasses and idiots rather than actually argue. LMAO

How tall are you?

That's ChiefsPlanet. I only usally do it to Doncos and the bigger dipshits on here.

I think the last studies I saw showed it helped with healing, but not anti-aging. Most of the people that I know that have used it really didn't think it was worth the money.

People get braces for the same reason they comb their hair. There are some very minor potential health benefits of getting braces, but none of them trump the cosmetic benefit for the VAST majority of people who get them.

I've dabbled with low dose test cycles throughout college football as well as through playing minor league ball for a couple years. Never tried any orals since we drank so much in college I didnt want to overload my liver too much. Had no issues whatsoever other than a slight breeze will give you an erection.

Go suck a kangaroo's dick :)

Using testosterone because you have a chemical imbalance that leads to Low T is altogether different than using it because you want to fill out your clothes better.

How emotionally frail must you be that you feel the need to elevate every discussion into a fist fight?

Boy, that escalated quickly.

I was more referring to Dane, than you in this instance, but ok.

Nothing other than steroid injections for inflammation.

What? Medical Marijuana isn't legal in Cali? Then why are there dispensaries all over Hollywood? I can grab some Snoop Lion and be back home in 10 minutes. I have four Snoop Lion pot brownies in my pantry.

Illegal?

The major risk of T is shutting messing up your HPTA for life. A lot of kids and adults for that matter take it and have no idea what the proper Post Cycle Therapy protocol is. If you are educated and do what Loochy did and researched for 2 years so you know what you are doing it's pretty safe.

LMAO

Yes. It's still illegal. State laws don't trump federal laws.

Overland Park Kansas can't make pirating movies legal.

Retreat! Retreat!

I understand what you are saying, but if it makes someone happy and they know what they are doing than who cares?

If they measure their self worth by their size they have some serious issues. Would you want your daughter's self esteem to be tied to the size of her boobs?

I said "some" and that's usually the younger kids. The guys in my gym that compete are older (mid to late 40's) and one never works out in anything but a long sleeved sweat shirt.

The Feds, movie studios, etc. shut down servers all over the world on a daily basis. Criminals are prosecuted for illegal downloading and piracy. There are ongoing, active investigations on a daily basis.

Why haven't the Feds shut down medical dispensaries?

Your logic is flawed, as usual.

Good God, NO.

You're too smart to argue in bizarre absolutes.

Vanity exists. It's why people buy nice clothes, wear deodorant, comb their hair, get braces, lift weights, tuck in their shirt, use napkins, etc.

That doesn't mean that their self worth is tied to these things.