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It's fun watching Hootie sucking off Flutie 2.
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More like a poor man's Bradford.
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Nobody bite.
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The Jagoff fan throwing another line in the water waiting for some dumb bastard to fall for his trolling.
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I think he's referring to Landry
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Don't know why I didn't put that dumb slut on ignore a long time ago. It's obvious he contributes absolutely nothing to the board but to satisfy his own trolling erection.
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Nope. Try again please...
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It's not about his game. It's about his presence. |
if people want to compare Geno to Bradford. That's cool. Bradford is talented as ****. I wouldn't consider him a bust yet, he looked like he was getting better at the end of the year and well, even if their game was exactly the same (which it isn't), they are 2 different people and 1 will be better than the other.
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Quarterback remains the most important position in sports, but it's also become the most overhyped. You absolutely, positively cannot win in the NFL with a bad quarterback. However, the more I've looked at the league over the last couple of months, the more I've realized that all you really need to have is a guy in the top 1/2 or so. The reason you roll the dice on a guy like Geno Smith is that a truly elite QB is still a force multiplier and a nice way to cover for some weaknesses. It's no doubt easier to win with a top 5 guy. But if 15 is the best you can do, take heart - you can still win and win big with that guy. |
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Excluding his injury season, he had 50 touchdowns to 8 interceptions and 4700 yards passing, as well as 5 rushing TDs his Sophomore year. |
I don't see Flacco as better than Romo, Cutler or Rivers whatsoever.
In fact everyone here knows I have a hardon for Cutler and Rivers. |
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I'll take Bradford, Cutler, Romo, or Flacco. No discrimination here. All can be successful in this league.
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There is a way to be a leader and there is a way to impersonate a leader. I don't think Romo deserves to be mentioned with Cutler and Rivers...those two are crybabies. Romo has just been undiciplined due to the coaching staffs he as played under. |
That's stupid. Philip Rivers is a great teammate by all accounts.
His problem is shitty supporting cast and shitty head coach. Shit, I'd trade the #1 for Rivers. |
So, aside from the fact that Geno has played in a pro-style offense, can actually complete passes downfield, has mobility, and has never been injured, he's Sam Bradford.
Yeah, that makes sense. |
I think Geno is a much better prospect than Bradford, but even if Geno turns out to be the second coming of Bradford I'm fine with it. Its time to roll the dice. It like the lottery folks say, you can't win if you don't play.
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You know, Bradford had a different resume. It involved winning games in a major football conference, that kind of thing.
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I don't see people salivating over Geno outside of this forum. |
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I had a friendly feud the last 8 weeks of the year with the guy who runs bigcatcountry.com. We both kept needling each other, insisting the other's team would **** up, win a game and blow the #1 pick. I won. :D |
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Yea that guy is a real charmer. |
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I'm just ecstatic that someone could compare Geno to a white QB. Now we all persevere until the day when a white WR is not compared with Wes Welker.
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Personally, I think Rivers is done. Romo and Cutler on their current teams make it difficult for them to reach a SB IMO but they could definitely do it as far as their individual talents go. |
So now geno is white?
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This team is too talented to finish 2-14. |
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Multiple injuries, including one that cost him his last year at Okl. Strictly a shotgun spread monkey. |
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Ok so let's look deeper into the Bradford comparison.
Bradfords predraft cons: 1. Spread/shotgun QB. 2. Played on an exceptional team, behind a brick wall line. He faced very little adversity or pass rush in college. 3. What else? I remember those 2 as the main issues. He was pretty thin iirc. Bradfords NFL shortcomings: 1. Plays poorly under QB pressure. Kind of goes back to #2 above. As good as his OU line was, his STL line has been bad. He's still learning to make plays under pursuit. 2.Durability? As others have said, he seems to always have something wrong with him. 3. What else? Overall it seems that some of the pre draft concerns have been justified. It's also clear that he's played behind a bad line with limited weapons to throw to. If I'm a Rams fan, I would have expected better but certainly wouldn't be ready to flush. |
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I still remember that game Bradford had against Texas Tech. That was redonk. |
Then how do Geno's cons compare?
1. His current system is also a spread. I know he played in a pro style, but don't pretend to know how his footwork looked in his dropbacks. Thats the biggest issue with spread QBs imo, footwork is 3, 5, and 7 step drops. 2. Geno has faced more adversity. Every game he played this year was on his shoulders due to poor defense. His "bad" games came against his toughest opponents, but how bad was he in those games? 3. Size? He's a little small, would like to see him thickened up, but he's been durable. I don't think Geno joining the Chiefs would be as rough as Bradords introduction to the league. He'll have a better line, and better weapons (assuming Bowe and Albert return). Geno's resume doesn't match Bradford's, but he didn't have the luxury of playing on the 2009 Sooners either. |
Dear lord...did you just say Geno faced more adversity? Geno was barely on the map last year.
Bradford spent an entire sophomore season contending for a national title, winning the Big 12, then losing in the national championship. And then he got injured and missed almost an entire year. Unless your definition of adversity only includes the quality of their own team. Which would be stupid. |
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I'm certain it was an issue in pre draft evaluations. He played on a big stage, but he was surrounded by stellar college talent. |
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Bradford had six NFL starters on his offense alone, with several other NFL players as backup depth or NFL backups as starters.
He might have played on the most talented college offense of the last decade. You could plug almost anyone into that system and they would put up ungodly numbers. |
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As for being taken #1 overall in 2010, well it wasn't exactly a bumper crop on QBs. |
Geno combine must face **** the combine to shut naysayer assholes up.
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I wouldnt call Bradford a bust. He just doesnt seem like he has a high upside.
Hes pretty blah.....sort of like Alex Smith was at #1. |
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Guys with his mental makeup will never win shit. |
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So if they are both the same guy, why was Bradford the consensus #1 when he came out and the experts have been sort of blah about Geno? I dont get it....
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Smith v. Bradford
Pros for Smith: 1) Less help in college. Smith has made throws under pressure and has had to get used to getting the ball out quickly, sliding to avoid pressure, making throws with pressure in his face, etc. Bradford did not face the same challenges in college. 2) More raw arm strength. The one knock on Bradford is that his arm was just "OK" for the NFL. Smith has flashed above-average arm strength. 3) DOwnfield accuracy. Smith has shown it. Bradford lived on slants in college and wasn't the deep shot artist Geno is. Pros for Bradford 1) Played in more multiple offenses (they spent most of their time in the spread, but especially his first season as a starter, they took a lot of snaps from center, too). 2) More success. Bradford won more games in college (you can list this if you really want, though I place little stock in it). Just my thoughts. |
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2) Bradford is white. |
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A month ago Brooks compared Smith to Jason Campbell.
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I guess a point comes when you have to stop making excuses for a guy, but Bradford has had a really shitty line and crap for receivers for most of his career. |
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And #1 overall in 2010 was a helluva lot bigger commitment than #1 overall is in 2013 |
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And am I being a homer when I say I think KC is the best "worst team in football" in a long time? |
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A rook should be able to win 6 games with this team. If they bring in a vet like Alex Smith, they should make the playoffs. |
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They're just comparisons to player type though I think. I doubt he believes Kenny Vaccaro is going to have the same kind of career Charles Woodson did. He just means he's a hybrid type safety. |
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college w/l record is teh most important over skillz and teh intagibles HERP DERP DERP DERP!
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"He was, and we all were. We talked about it all week. ‘Don't get impatient. Don't get impatient.' You have the ball a couple of times and you look up there and you're down 17 points. You start pressing. It's inevitable. We were trying to score 14 points in one play. That is just not very good offensive football. You can't have that mindset." |
Exactly. Very similar to Sam Bradford, which is the very reason I don't want to draft him #1.
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They chose to keep developing Bradford plus Moving down to #6 (traded again to Dallas for #14 DT Michael Brockers and #45, traded again to Bears for #50 RB Isaiah Pead, outplayed by 7th round RB Daryl Washington, and #150 OT Watkins, whom I know nothing about) Note Chicago used #45 on WR Alshon Jeffrey, whom I think would have helped STL more than Brian Quick, or Pead and a 5th round OT. and 2nd round #39 CB Janoris Jenkins and 2013 1st round pick (#22) and 2014 1st round pick (TBD) Worth it? Only time will tell, but two 1st round picks the next couple years is a good position to build around Bradford IMO. |
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